I Hate Middle Class "Liberals" and "Socialists" (and here's why)

Bravo! Well said.

I am a middle class conservative, and I don't like the gentrification of the cities. I miss the old honky tonks and dive bars. I love little hole in the wall restaurants, that is where the best food always is. Even in the ghetto. But these places are being bought and torn down to make fancy hip places.

And actually, I think the conservatives are more fair to the different races because true conservatism opens up opportunity while the liberals restrict people.

 

It was the Conservative capitalists who bought these "old honky tonks and dive bars" and turned them into Applebys and Red Lobsters. The mom and pop stores were run out of business by the wealthy capitalists like WalMart and Target.

Opportunity only exists for the wealthy capitalists since the "Republican Revolution." How is that fair to anyone who doesn't have a multi-million $ portfolio?

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Please explain. Restrict people how?

 

@ Fawkes

Remember Republican's golden boys Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed, and how they scammed the Indians out of millions in their infamous Casino scam? Do you really think they believe that Republicans are "more fair to the different races." You do know that Indians are a different race, don't you?

And who is behind the Arizona Immigration law that discriminates against Latinos? And who exactly is the biggest exploiter of cheap immigrant labor? That would be the conservative business owners. And since most of the poor are minorities, the party that fought tooth and nail against raising the minimum wage, the Republicans, are "more fair" to them, how?

The more I think about your statement, the more absurd it sounds.

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Damn this is the funniest shit I have read on HF in awhile....

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Belly up to the paradox buffet for a liberal serving of conservatism...
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ZW

 

Actually, I can prove this. Mark Levin, a noted conservative talk show host and founder of the Landmark Legal Foundation, fought against the NAACP and teacher's unions in trying to get poor black kids into good schools, trying to get the kids into private schools with vouchers and the like.

http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/25000/article/25036

See liberals are all about control and power and keeping poor people down, while conservatives want to let everybody have a chance to get ahead. I'm not talking Republicans and Democrats, because almost all politicians today are liberals. Reagan said something about the best social program is a job.

 

Paranoid, rage-driven, xenophobic nuts are taking over the Republican Party- - the extreme conservative. How can you say they done more for diversity and even mention the NAACP-

These are just a few of my thoughts on conservatism in amerika. Im sure I just dont speak for myself when I say I believe this is scary and close minded

Conservatives in their ways and in their thinking do not embrace change in any way
They fear change as a threat to their existence
They resist change, as if change is harmful
They crave respect for their old ways of thinking
No thanks to them that changes are occuring since they want to keep us tied to the past
They cannot accept that time changes things-and nothing stays as it was forever*
They fear change as much as they do fear the reaper as if indeed change were a dangerous thing
They look on people who to them are different as those who are untrustworthy and strange.

The conservative movement in this country will hopefully die down again. -but> it is scary that they have so many followers on the Rush Limbaugh train of fear

 

I am sorry, I don't know much about abramoff and Reed, I'm going to have to study some and get back to you on that one. Because I am want to learn, I am open minded.

The Arizona Immigration law does not discriminate. If you are here illegally, you need to go. During the commission of a crime (And the bill says the cops can't say anything unless a crime has been committed first.) when the cops ask for ID, if the person doesn't have ID the cops have the right to figure out who he is, if there are warrants out, if he is legal. The person might be latino, he from France, Korea or Zimbabwe. Wherever he is from it doesn't matter. He should be sent back to his country if he is here illegally and the police detained him due to suspicion of a crime being committed.

Exploiter of cheap migrant labor, or the people who give the migrants the jobs they came here looking for. Are the migrants treated poorly? Yes. Because they are here illegally, so they have no way to complain about their treatment. So, we should let SOME of them in legally, so they can work and they will not be exploited because they will have the same rights as you and I and every other legal employee.

The reason why the republicans fought against raising the minimum wage is because it would be bad for business. Businesses would have to get rid of some employees or at least reduce hours & some businesses would close. I don't know the split between employees at large companies vs. small companies, but a lot of people work for small companies. Here is where Republicans and Democrats are different. Republicans want people to move up, move on and get better jobs. Get an education or at least work hard at your current job and get a promotion. Working in a minimum wage job is not supposed to be a career, and an employee should have the motivation to move on. Easier said then done, but even at McDonald's that is possible.

Fighting against minimum wage has nothing to do with oppressing the poor, it has nothing to do with keeping down the minorities. It is just about making money. And it's all about the Benjamins, baby. Even if Obama hates for people to make money, screw him, because he'll be gone in 2 1/2 years.

Love live America!

 

Mostly taxes, but also laws restricting what people can do. Cap and trade is another Obamination that will restrict us.

Granted the Republicans aren't much better, but the point I always try to make is that almost all politicians are untrustworthy (Marital infidelity, using the taxpayer's money for personal business, pork projects and wasteful spending are common on both sides of the aisle.) So why would you want a politician like Obama who tries to grab all this power. Republicans leave more power to me and you.

Fawkes

 

Your profile says you're 32, so I can't give you a pass on this one since it happened this century. This was super big news that involved Tom Delay and many other Republican representatives taking bribes and doing all sorts of bad things. Several Representatives lost their positions and Abramoff is now in prison.

Problem is, you have not committed a crime until you have been convicted, I think you mean "accused of a crime." And that is the problem, the cop can say anything to cover his ass. And, I don't think there has to be any suspicion of illegal activity beyond a suspicion of the person being here illegally, and someone who looks like Opie is not going to be a target of this law.

All cops have this authority without the Arizona law.

Stop clouding the issue, you know damn good and well that the targets of this law are Latinos.

The ones hiring them are conservative business owners. If they were to suddenly become "legal" their wages would go up. That alone gives Republicans motivation to keep them illegal. Republicans exploit cheap labor, be it Americans, Mexicans or whoever.

This is plain out bullshit. Why should some make so little they cannot afford to feed their families while others make a hundred million a year?

This is actually funny. I've known people who work at McDonald's and other minimum wage jobs and I've known the business owners. Once you get stuck in that position you have no money for continued education and Republicans are against helping them get an education.

Making more money for the wealthy.

You need to back up that statement, because it's really ridiculous.

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What power has Obama tried to grab? Don't forget the Republicans just crashed the economy and left us with a 10 trillion $ debt, that alone took away a lot of our power as citizens.

The Republicans work for the wealthy, the Democrats work for the poor and middle class, it's really that simple.

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Maybe North Dakota will soon tackle the Canadian problem.

 

"If you are here illegally, you need to go."

Hey, cover yourself up... your right-wing slip is showing.

There is no such thing as an illegal person.

And if you really believe that there is such a thing, then YOU are an illegal... because your ancestors sure as hell didn't come here legally. In fact, their possession of the land was predicated on outright genocide. You have about as much legitimacy in occupying the US as Hitler had in occupying Poland.
(if the Hitler reference bothers you, then replace it with any other genocidal conqueror- say, Obama in Iraq)

PROTIP: If you want poor people to stop banging at your door, STOP SUPPORTING THE IMPERIALIST NEO-LIBERAL POLICIES THAT MAKE THEM POOR!

 

Wow. All over the fucking place. Incoherent rambling as response to a simple premise.

 

Here's my personal view on minimum wage. I think overall, it is a good thing, and much deserved. It in no way, shape, or form has it affected employment, or hours. It just pisses everyone my age off. But honestly, more people work for Wal-Mart, Target, Lowes, Burger King, Subway, Wendy's, Sonic, Staples, Office Max, Grocery Chains, Gap (includes Old Navy, Banana Rep), American Eagle, PacSun, Shopko, Payless Shoes, Pet Smart, and HUNDREDS of other CHAINS than small businesses. Come on. It's fucking common sense people! Do some math of employees working in chains vs small businesses.

I'm 24, in my first full decade of being in the workforce, EVERYONE works for a chain! Small businesses are just that...small businesses! Nobody works for them because they employ their family members, and maybe 1-2 extra workers. Hmmm, 1-2 or the 20-30 that are hired at a GAP?? Which I currently work for! Restaurants would be different, as servers have been stuck at 2.33/hr since the early 90's. Bartenders always vary, but hover around minimum wage, give or take a dollar or two over/under. Here's the bullshit of it all.

Hours aren't sacrificed, but wages freeze for experienced employees with seniority over the 16yr old who just started. I worked for American Eagle at $5.75 in 2004, two 25 cent raises over the next two years, was up to 6.25 in 2006. Min wage in WI bumped up to 6.50. I was bumped to 6.50. Two years experience, and the 16 yr old next to me who was just hired, makes the same. No compensation for me. Then, a couple years later with Gap, has at $7 with Min Wage at 6.50. Fed min wage goes to 7.25. I was bumped to 7.25 after 18 months with them. I have worked in clothing retail for 6, countem SIX years, and make the same as a 16yr old. I hold a degree; a B.A. But because of being in school, I had no time to gain management experience. I was told this was the correct path. I therefore am still a slave to the system, making minimun wage. All businesses work around the min wage increase by freezing all wages to all employees. Even if you made a dollar more than Min wage, and min wage was bumped to what you make, sorry, you still make that. So if you made $8.00 and min wage was 7.00 and min wage was bumped to $8.00, you still sit at $8.00 regardless of whether you put in 3 years of work with that company to get that high. As long as those on top don't sacrifice their earnings, they couldn't care less about the ones working a little above Min wage.

Frankly, I think they should separate wages like the UK does; by age . 21 and under, minimum wage is set a bit lower. At 22, min wage bumps up around a full Pound/Hr. That way you don't feel completely screwed with no way around it. The problem with our system is...yes, with a small business, you can plead the owner to bump your wage higher to compensate. But with a corporation, for which everyone works, you can't argue an extra 0.50 an hour because your manager has no control over that. The corporation does. I hate big corporations, and this is a big reason why. You become just a little slave.

Don't sit here and tell me Conservatives are for small businesses. Bull shit. You say that, and yet applaud the big corporations for succeeding in our capitalist system. Netflix for example is amazing, yet THOUSANDS are losing their jobs at Blockbusters and the like due to Netflix. That's the brilliance of capitalism eh? I love Netflix, but...conservatives, how do you replace those Blockbuster jobs? And if those jobs were lost under a Liberal's control, it's their fault right??

 

I honestly feel I have less power under Republican control. And am actually restricted MORE under Republican control. Being the age that I am, almost all of my life has been lived under the deregulation of the market under Reagan. A full generation later, we are seeing the backlash of deregulation. The rich are richer, middle class is farther stretched (compare the 75K family to the 30K family and yet both are considered middle class??). I feel most of my generation feels less like TRUE entrepreneurs than we do business people owning a newly built chain. How many people actually start their own, true, private, small business and succeed? Now how many people end up opening another Subway down the road and call themselves entrepreneurs? THIS is where the free market has taken us. Seems pretty damn RESTRICTING to me.

And Cap-and trade may seem restricting, but it's also for the betterment of our nation, and our lives. I'm sorry, but we've used so many of our fossil fuels and have polluted our planet enough, that it's about time we have to pay a premium to use old and outdated energy sources. Capitalism, right? Well, we've found better ways to collect energy that are healthier for our planet. Sorry, but in a capitalist system, the better of two products tends to win out. Add in marketing and lobbyists, and there ya go. Renewable energy sources are a better product. They just are. When I see an oil rig, I shudder at what we are doing to this planet (let alone the oil spill). When I see a wind-turbine, I see the future. It's almost something you could picture in the futuristic world in HG Wells' Time Machine. To keep ourselves here for thousands of years more, this NEEDS to happen. Slowly phase out Oil and Carbon (by government stepping in, or it just wouldn't happen), and phase in new sources; wind, solar, ethanol, etc.

The thing is, we need government intervention to help the progression of the world. Things like ending slavery (government intervention), women's right to vote (government intervention), ERA (government intervention), Civil Rights (government intervention), and Cap-and Trade (Government intervention.)

 

And finally, taxes have gone DOWN under Obama. Contrary to Conservative belief. This is FACT.

 

Only for 90 percent. What about the wealthy? Their taxes went up.

It's heartless.

 

How about 99% The top 1% will see a hike in their taxes. And about damn time. And it'll ONLY be to what their rate was under Clinton; 39.6%. Right now it's at 35%. In the 1950's and 60's...the top 1% paid 90% income tax. NINETY PERCENT! In the 70's it was 70%. And into the 80's? 50% Then Reagan shoved it to 28% in '88. You're acting as if raising the taxes of the wealthy is equaling a Socialist state. Gosh, we MUST have been socialists before '88. Last time I looked in the history books, we weren't. Raise it to Clintonian Era rates, and we'll see our deficit start to shrink a little. And unless we've just become THAT goddamn greedy, jobs won't be lost because of it.