I Hate Christian Hypocrites!

that is very true, i won't argue that. like i said, it's all about what motivations are in you at the time. i come from a long line of military people, though i decided not to join myself, knowing that i can be truly viscious and wanting to avoid the possiblity of going down that road. but not all who kill during war are bad. my father had to kill, but he also smuggled quite a few refugees out of vietnam. don't condemn people for wanting to do something they think is right.

 

Dont forget Tolkein was Catholic

BTW, The Chronicles of Narnia are FULL OF Christian elements, its easy to look up online It's been years since I have read them though.

 

With the exception of KC, (becasue KC is just F-ing awesome and is not part of that church i dont think anymore, even if she were though it would be cool), Seventh Day adventists are probably some of the worst Anti-Catholics you will meet. Just watch yourself.

 

yeah, i'm pretty much wowed by some of the anti-catholic sentiment within the SDA'S. most are pretty normal people, but it's mostly among the old farts that you find some serious dislike of the catholics. SDA's believe that the cathlic church (it's machinery, it's bureaucracy and pope) to be the beast of revelations. 666 refering to "pontificus maximus" or some such thing on the pope's hat in roman numerals. but as for catholics themselves, there's really not much hatred, but there's a definite desire to bring them over to SDA.

 

Oh yeah, I have read the 666/Pope thing before. It's ridiculous. Their are dozens of sites that prove that theory wrong, including Protestant ones.

http://arnoldgamboa.com/2003/12/roman-pope-is-666/

http://cathinsight.com/apologetics/adventism/b666.htm

What I found interesting on another site was the leader of the SDA's Church's name in Latin added up to 666 lol!!! (or somthing like that)

 

The Bible speaks about a one world religion. Who is pushing for this domination right now?

 

What exactly is a SDA? See, this is where I tend to feel sad for people blinded by religion. They all believe they are right and everyone else is wrong(i mean this in general). In the end, everyone gets caught up with religion and begins to ignore The Word of God. I am a Christian, not a baptist, not catholic, not mormon, and not sda. I call myself a Christian because I am a follower of Christ. I just pray that someday people will stop being religious and start being faithful to Jesus Christ.

 

I would say Islam is. And you? If you truly beleive the nonsense that the Pope is the anti-Christ, please just come right out and say it and back it up.

 

http://www.republic-christadelphians.org/files/thoughts_on_the_false_prophet.htm - This was a pretty intresting wrap up on the idea

I didn't say the pope was the antichrist. I have already mentioned the characteristics of the antichrist according to the Bible in another post. ( http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=237861&postcount=14)

I said that a pope would most likely be the false prophet. "Looks like a lamb"..

If you look at scripture, The holy roman empire is said to be reformed in the end times. Who has always been the leader of the empire? A pope.

The Catholic church referes to itself as the Mother church. ( "We, the mother church, our opening our arms to all of our daughters to return home".) Revelation 17... woman of the beast, mother of harlots.

The daughter churches of the Catholic church? All of the churches involved in the uniting of religions. The united religions constitution was signed june of 2000.

Uniting of religions: "Pope John Paul II said yesterday that he is willing to seek agreement with other Christian denominations on the future role of the papacy. The pope made his offer in a 115-page encyclical, ‘That They All May Be One,’ which is dedicated to the search for unity among Christian churches that split from each other during the past thousand years… The pope made clear he would not accept a symbolic papacy without teeth and that Rome would have to hold the primary place among Christians. He also said a pope should have the authority to make infallible declarations regarding the basic tenets of faith."

So the pope is pushing for interfaithism. Hmmm, interesting. What else is interesting? this piece that was written. "But, if the Pope ultimately manifests himself in the role of the False Prophet of the Apocalypse, then his eventual headship in the union of all religions, i.e., United Religions (UR), will be his greatest achievement. "And he [the False Prophet] exerciseth all the power of the first beast [the Antichrist] before him, and causeth the Earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed" (Revelation 13:12). (http://whatsaiththescripture.com/Fellowship/Edit_United.Religions.html.htm)

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330] (http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/church3.html)


The Catholic church is proclaiming that salvation includes muslims who do not believe that Jesus Christ was the savior? The Catholic church doesn't even follow the plan of salvation according to Jesus (John 3:5) and now they want to tell others that they are saved? Sad....


Revelation 17:4 - The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand filled with abominable things"....


The pope wears a crown, wine is served in a chalic during communion, and priests wear purple while the pope wears scarlet.

This was a good list of comparisons:
Christ said: "My kingdom is not of this world." The Pope conquers cities by force.
Christ had a crown of thorns. The Pope wears a triple diadem.
Christ washed the feet of his disciples. The Pope has his kissed by kings.
Christ paid tribute. The Pope takes it.
Christ fed the sheep. The Pope shears them for his own profit.
Christ was poor. The Pope wishes to be master of the world.
Christ carried on His shoulders the cross. The Pope is carried on the shoulders of his servants in liveries of gold.
Christ despised riches. The Pope has no other passion than for gold.
Christ drove out the merchants from the temple. The Pope welcomes them.
Christ preached peace. The Pope is the torch of war.
Christ was meekness. The Pope is pride personified.
Christ promulgated laws that the Pope tramples underfoot
(http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=pope)


Revelation 17:18 - "the woman you saw is the great city". Rome is often referred to as the great city.


The comparisons are quite interesting.

 

Seventh Day Adventist Church. (SDA)

 

No, the pope has never been the leader of the Empire, any Empire. Rome was headed by the Roman Emperor, the Holy Roman Emperor was headed by a guess what---an emperor--NEVER a pope. The only Political Rule the Pope officially ever possessed was the Papal States and Vatican City/Rome. When the Popes assumed power in Rome, the Western Roman Empire had already fallen to barbarians from the North, but fortunently, converted to Catholicism. Most notably (I said this on another post) was Clovis of the Franks (French) in the 700's I believe.

Most historians agree the beast or babylon in Revelation is PAGAN Rome. If you want to go ahead and quote some anti-catholic authors for the sake of arguement, be my guest, and I welcome it. People would be able to see how foolish of an arguement it is.

You need to clerify this I have no clue what you are talking about, and I seriously doubt anyone else does, unless it is referring to what is below.

So what?! We wouldn't have to be concerned with the unity of all Christians if it were not for Protestant "Reformers". You are part of the problem, yet your complaining about the Pope trying to make ammends with other Christians. And I really don't care about your anti-catholic quotes, you have made up your mind about the Catholic Church, and I have made up mine, but I am going to expain myself in the least biased way possible.

HOW IGNORANT AND CLOSE MINDED ARE YOU? Are you kidding me? Purple and red are not the dominant colors of Catholic clerical vestments. White is. All priests wear white (including bishops and cardinals when they are saying Mass)—even the pope does so. Purple is for royalty and red for the blood of Christian martyrs. I like how, Epiphany, you forgot to mention the purple and scarlet of the Whore are contrasted with the white of the New Jerusalem, the Bride of Christ (Rev. 19:8).--Ie--this could be The Catholic Church or New Jersualem, and it also means that Apostate Jerusalem could be the whore as well.


HERE IS THE LIST OF TERRIBLE COMPARISONS:

Are you kidding? The Popes RARELY conquered anything, and was hundreds of years ago, and most of it was on the Italian Peninsula. What about all the Protestant Kingdoms that conquered whole countries and places, heck England invaded North America! THAT MUST MEAN PRINCE CHARLES COULD BE THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!

The Royals of England and Scandinavia wear crowns too, they are just as likely as canidates then, using your theory.

It's a sign of respect.

The problem is that, regardless of what it had in the past, the modern Vatican is not fantastically wealthy. In fact, it has run a budget deficit in most recent years and has an annual budget only around the size of that of the Archdiocese of Chicago. Furthermore, wealth was much more in character with pagan Rome or apostate Jerusalem, both key economic centers.

That is an unsubstanitate d opinion, no proof whatsoever.