I Didnt Know It Was Heroin

i grew up in the late 60s early 70s even as cool as drugs were in those day any one who used heroin was look upon and treated as subhumans and we stay clear from them . cruel maybe but we knew junkies life style far to well.

 

You know I've smoked a lot of grass
O' Lord, I've popped a lot of pills
But I never touched nothin'
That my spirit could kill
You know, I've seen a lot of people walkin' 'round
With tombstones in their eyes
But the pusher don't care
Ah, if you live or if you die

God damn, The Pusher
God damn, I say The Pusher
I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

You know the dealer, the dealer is a man
With the love grass in his hand
Oh but the pusher is a monster
Good God, he's not a natural man
The dealer for a nickel
Lord, will sell you lots of sweet dreams
Ah, but the pusher ruin your body
Lord, he'll leave your, he'll leave your mind to scream

God damn, The Pusher
God damn, God damn the Pusher
I said God damn, God, God damn The Pusher man

Well, now if I were the president of this land
You know, I'd declare total war on The Pusher man
I'd cut him if he stands, and I'd shoot him if he'd run
Yes I'd kill him with my Bible and my razor and my gun

God damn The Pusher
Gad damn The Pusher
I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

This song sums up petty much a heroin supply man and this was late 60s of course most radio station today even classic rock refused to play it. but it was popular when it first came out and several years later.

 

I must say I completely agree with LSDSeeker here. I personally enjoy the recreational potential of opiates, and have been using heroin on a regular basis (2-3 times a week) for several months, before stopping (I've now turned to pods & codeine). While the psychological factor in the abuse of opiates cannot be controlled, and I feel I AM somewhat "addicted" to their use, physical addiction CAN be checked, and any informed, responsible user can avoid the pitfall of physical addiction (and I believe most users DO avoid it). A simple rule is not to use more than 3 times a week, and to allow 24 hour intervals between uses. A pretty good guide to responsible use was published by Loompanics (I think it's called something like "The Heroin users guidebook").

Of course, needless to say, the so-called war on drugs has NOTHING to do whatsoever with checking people's abuse of certain substances (before prohibition was imported from the US, Europeans had been enjoying opiates for at least 10,000 years!!).

Also, I can't really see how heroin significantly differs from morphine (or even opium, which is around 60% morphine content!). Its effects are IDENTITCAL, it just kicks in quicker. Heroin just seems to be surrounded by this mythical aura, which makes it a superdrug which will necessarily kill you (which is complete BULLSHIT, although I feel sorry for those who have suffered from addiction). Just my two cents.

 

Ha ha. I was waiting to have at least some of my views confirmed by some users in this forum, but I am thinking that the propaganda against heroin and other opiates has been so effective that even among hippies it is a drug for the declasse. Therefore, a lot of users are probably afraid of saying in this forum, "Hey, I love heroin!"

I am basing my statements on my reading about drugs. I doubt someone like Jacob Sullum would have lied about or misrepresented users of heroin. On the other hand, I do know the government has lied about drugs, and repeatedly. Sullum's Saying Yes was an eye opener for me.

Right. Opium was widely used for thousands of years, and was even legal in the U.S., and despite widespread use very few people were addicts. It is only in very modern times that opiates have been surrounded by a mystical aura, what Mr. Sullum calls "voodoo pharmacology."

It's far more convenient to blame a drug rather than yourself when you screw up your life.

 

You have a very strange definition of "fun"...

 

I think only the most arrogant would think this. Sure, a LOT of people can chip, some for years. And there are some who will never get "addicted" but many many will eventually find reason after reason to use it more than 3 times a week. "Oh, my grandma died." "Oh, my cat died." "Oh, I can't find my keys." "Oh, I hate Mondays." Until that resolution to "only" use 3 times a week or less falls by the wayside. It really depends more on the person's neurochemical makeup than "resolve."

No, op withdrawal won't kill you. You only wish it would.

 

LSDSEEKER

You should not confuse heroin with opium.

Opium has been used for centuries with low percentages of users becoming addicts. However opium only contains about 10% morphine and many other psychoactive chemicals besides. The effect of opium is often one of nightmarish qualities rather than the uncomparable pleasure and comfort that heroin brings. It is the love of this cheap comfort that turns people into addicts. Living with the knowledge that they can cope with anything and make everything feel alright just with one injection.

If it's so easy to take heroin without becoming an addict, why are there addicts in every town? Maybe if you tried it before advocating it and assuming you know everything because you've read a few artricles about the history and effects of opium, you will understand how hard it is living with something you love, more accessable than anything else in the world. All you have to do is give a "mate" some money and you can leave all your worries behind and enter bliss. This is what turns people into addicts, and if you've never felt this or seen a friend go through it, you would not understand.

 

With all due respect, naked_ape, I am concerned for the naked truth here.

As I have said, I have never done heroin, but I have done research on it and other drugs. Admittedly this makes me sound like a neophyte and in a sense I am, as I readily admit. However, there shouldn't be any taboos, moral or scientific, about openly discussing drugs and especially opiates.

I want to get to the bottom of things. It could very well be that what I have read is wrong or a partial truth. Certainly what I have read in this forum gives a counter-perspective. But the information even here is contradictory. I am told not to confuse opium with heroin. Yet I am told that you could only wish to die if you are addicted to opium. I also have read that very few people were addicted to opium when it was legal. I also have read that virtually no one becomes addicted after trying heroin once; yet in this forum there are a couple of people claiming or insinuating that. The information is very contradictory. I even had someone call me a "dumbass" who made a claim that was contradicted by a very mainstream Web site. This person did not apologize but merely slinked away. So, where is the truth? The naked truth here? Maybe it's in between. But clearly, there needs to be more discussion about the topic given that it is surrounded by utter confusion. I must admit I remain a skeptic, especially with the contradictory information and the fishy anecdotal stories here, which is not to say that I am dealing with liars either.

 

Oh and here goes more on opiate addiction and such, really I am on BOTH sides. I have never done Heroin but I have done just about EVERY single opiate you can think of. I have been addicted to Oxycontin about 3 or so times for month and months at a time, and I think about it ALL of the time. I have been addicted to hydrocodone and a mix of other opiates for about 6 months earlier this year. Addiction can get out of hand really really fast and you do not relize how fast and unknowingly it can take over your life. But then again I do think it can be control and used under moderation without turning into a junking useing it every single day. I mean I used oxycontin a couple times a week for a couple months and was fine, then I started geting better deals on it and was like well this means more time to have more fun. That is when addiction kicks in, you think you are just gonna do it for a little bit and then stop like you did before you become a full blown addict and then you start falling deeper and deeeper. I failed all of this year because I was a Addict at the start of this year to the half of the year and when I had to quit pretty much cold turkey when my friend got sent away(he knew the sources) then I went into a deep state of depression and withdraws. I didt eat or sleep for a couple weeks and just felt like total SHIT and wanted to fucking kill someone. The depression changed the way I think about everything and really gave me more of a non careing attitude towards somethings, that is why I am still failing every class in school. But oh well lets see what other people have to say.

 

At times, people who occasionally enjoy getting drunk might have a difficult, sad time. They'll then drink more and more until they turn into alcoholics (and eventually die). It happens all the time. The same goes with heroin, but it doesn't necessarily mean that chipping isn't possibile or feasable (just as it is possible to enjoy drunkness without turning into an alcoholic). Physical addiction is a medical condition, so if you have the self-discipline to avoid using too often you simply won't turn into a junky. I once read on The Economist that only around 1/3 of regular H users are addicts. I think every drug has a potential for addiction, and this potential is particularly high with opiates (since, compared to alcohol, addictions sets in a lot quicker). All it comes down to in the end is self-discipline: if you lack it, don't mess with heroin (and I'm NOT trying to sound arrogant. God knows I might end up being a junky myself, one day!).

 

Hey, we weren't talking about opium you slut. Opium is a resin of a bunch of chemicals. Once you extract the morphine perform some chemical reactions on it, you get heroin. Now I know this may be hard for you to understand, but because the chemical structure is slightly different than other opiates, its effects/side-effects are slightly different. And it isn't that the user feels like they will 'die' or doesn't without heroin it doesn't matter. You can die. Your body can be physically addicted and you could die without heroin if you are physically addicted when you stop. It is a proven fact, it is not psychological like cocaine or marijuana. It is a physical addiction. You think you know some shit dude, you ever boot heroin? No. You haven't. I'm guessing you don't live in a city or anything close to it. Where I live used to run rampart with junkies. When you grow up seeing the shit everywhere, you know that some of the things they tell you in school are lies... while others are just harsh realities. It is possible to DIE from heroin withdrawals. Biologically, your body gets addicted to heroin, and for whatever reason, the chemical make up of heroin makes the withdrawals worse than other opiates.

 

what a dumbass game to play. Now, I'll admit, I have snorted heroin to sample it. But I did it on my terms, knowing just how much to do and just what the fuck I was doing.

You kids think it's just a game until you bury one of your friends.

 

Neurochemical makeup determines most of who will get addicted. If you have the makeup for it, and try it, chances are, no matter how "disciplined" you are, you will become addicted. Other people simply can play with it all they want, and leave it alone, with no problem. It is more physical than will power.


And no, a healthy person will not die from herion withdrawal.

 

Why don't you prove your claim? I gave you a source contradicting what you wrote, and someone else on this thread is saying what I said: healthy people do not die from heroin withdrawals.

Your inability to support your claims would indicate to me that you grew up in the wrong trailer park.

Alright, thickhead, now it's time for you to back up your claim with some sources.

 

Here is another source: The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA).

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/heroin.html

"Sudden withdrawal by heavily dependent users who are in poor health is occasionally fatal, although heroin withdrawal is considered less dangerous than alcohol or barbiturate withdrawal."

According to NIDA, heroin withdrawal is less dangerous than alcohol withdrawal. Their statistics also show that the vast majority of students who have used heroin some time in the past have not used it in the 30 days before taking part in the Monitoring the Future (MTF) survey.

 

From ADAC (Alcohol Drug Association Centre in New Zealand)

 

2ces seems to have some knowledge of psychedelics and could potentially contribute to some discussions, but he lacks the capacity to admit when he is wrong. Sure, some will think he's cool because he has tried some shit and given some reports, but I am just glad that when I am done with college (pretty soon) people like him will be flipping burgers when I go out to eat at McDonald's.

His lack of class and limited intellect contribute to the negative stereotype of those interested in psychedelics and other drugs for recreational purposes.

I am not here to make myself out to be more knowledgeable than anyone else. I am here to get to the bottom of things. If I am wrong about something so be it.

 

thats what I call a troll

oops was I trolling?

 

LSDSeeker, go pick up a bag of heroin, do it everyday for a week straight. Come back her e and tell us what happened. I think you will change alot from it.

 

Alright, well where your college degree has anything to do with this discussion, I fail to see. I guess you're better than me cause I dropped out of college and got a job as a computer support engineer instead. This isn't a pissing contest- you told someone that the withdrawals from heroin aren't too bad. The fact is, they are. Then you go and cite that they aren't as bad as alcohol or baribiturate withdrawals. Well that's probably true because alcohol withdrawals are very VERY bad, they can cause death and some horrible states of psychosis, but you'd have to drink a very lot to even have your body addicted like that. Barbiturate withdrawals are supposed to be the worst of all. Still doesn't make heroin withdrawals a walk in the park. You tell someone "heroin isn't as bad as the government makes it seem" but have you ever even met anybody who was/is into heroin?

Limited intellect? You're a funny person, I wish I too was an arrogant son of a bitch and knew everything from research; knew enough from research to just dismiss heroin as not too bad. What's negative about my 'stereotype?' I do drugs cause they're fun. I have sex cause it's fun. I go to concerts cause it's fun. What the hell is wrong with you? You obviously haven't found the LSD you seek buddy. FFS, when I went to college, one of my majors was psychology because of drugs.

Yea I'll bet you're real fucking serious and spiritual about your drug use- Next time some profiteer sells you a little square piece of paper to suck on, and the lsd molecules that resemble serotonin slide their way into your neurons, just think about how fucking stupid you are for not doing drugs for recreational purposes. Next time something makes me feel great I'll be sure to leave that for all the 'serious' non-recreational users to use. Not for fun or anything though.

No one gives a shit- not til you publicly advertise that the government makes heroin seem worse than it really is. Heroin is bad, the withdrawals are also bad and life-threatening. "Users rarely die unless they are in bad health" Well I wonder if a junkie with no job who uses their whole SSI check on H is in good health?