I cant believe this BP shit..

my mom works for a local chain of convenience stores and she made a pretty good point. Unless it's on a huge scale, the boycotting of BP doesn't hurt BP, it hurts the convenience store owners.

That being said, fuck BP.

 

Jimmy Carter warned about the need to fund alternate energy sources. Then you all went with republicans for most of the next three decades and apart from making themselves privileged and greasing the arms industry, republicans don't do shit.

So, enjoy your de-regulated results.

 

BP fucked up really bad. Not only have they fucked up the environment and eco system, and killed x-amount of animals, but this could also have given terrorists ideas. This was global news, which means there are people in Iraq probably watching it. Now look how much damage was caused by just one oil rig. Suppose terrorists decided to blow up strategically located oil rigs all around our country, or in extreme terms, the world. All of the oceans on our entire planet could potentially get fucked up from oil spills. This would primarily result in killing all sea creatures and causing skyrocketing unaffordable damages. The world would be fucked.

 

Jimmy Carter was the worst president in United States history.

President Carter's wise words of wisdom during the 444-day Iranian hostage crisis: "Let us pray."

 

I think they would have done that by now, dude.

 

They are likely planning this as we speak....

Blow up all the oil wells in the world, destroying the oceans and the planet with the results...

Then they'll jump on their space ship and fly to that other planet that's identical to earth on the other side of the sun....

 

Which is why, in the 70's, he was wrong about the need to fund alternative energy sources.

 

Imagine how different (and better) the world would be today if people had listened...

 

another reason why the Law needs to be changed concerning so many corporations... the ONLY thing they care about are profits! BP has to be one of the worst offenders...

 

Carter was one of the better presidents of my lifetime, had he been able to steer the country in the direction he wanted our oil use would be a thing of the past. And the gulf would not be in the mess its in now.

 

While I agree that BP has done a lot of things they shouldn't have, I do question people's ire over them...

All this talk about how evil they are, and how bad various levels of government and different administrations fucked up and so on...

Rarely do you see anyone point out that BP like all corporation operate on the basis of profitability, which is DIRECTLY affected by their customers.

The 'people' can't argue that they didn't know... since the 60's/70's, there have been people screaming about these things, warning what could happen if they continued...

The people who did that screaming and warning... were labelled as crackpots, socialists, communists, lefties and a whole slew of other slurs...

Even now, 40 years later, you still have it happening, even though we can clearly see what the results are.

As for...

That line that you use to attack him... I do believe you would have an extremely hard time finding ANY US Pres, who has not uttered those exact words...

 

hence why i said "extreme case" which was meant to be show the severity of how much power they could have. obviously they wouldn't do something that would result in their death, man. a few strategically placed oil rigs around our country would fuck up our economy even worse than it is now and put us into a depression. That is a likely scenario. Doing that would have had a worse outcome than 9/11. All I'm saying is that this could influence their future decisions.

 

The big dumb-down began in the late seventies (following the entrenchment of the 'new' educational system) and Reagan was the first of the dumbed-down leaders for the new dumbness-embracing electorate.

Now we reap the benefits of the republican era - in the banks, the insurance companies, the investment community, the deficit, the safety standards, the infrastructure, the corporate mindsets (not just of BP - all of them, especially the energy sector).

Let us pray.

 

Except any other president would have actually done something. And most other presidents have in situations like that. Carter didn't do a damn thing about that, nor did he about much else.

 

lol

 

Well, he did get them all out alive without starting a third world war which the Russians warned about. The Russians had a lot of juice back then, remember? Also, he was paramount in the fall of communism as he funded the Afghanistan resistance that ultimately broke the Russian government. Not too bad.

 

louisianna it is

 

Now people are starting to whine about the jobs that could be lost because of the moratorium on deep wells...

Why any company was ever allowed to drill wells in places that they do not have a way to fix any problems when they happened is baffles me...

The fact that after this spill (while it's still spewing oil into the gulf), people are more worried about their immediate jobs, then the fact that this still could very well end up destroying the south western coast of the US blow my fucking mind...

"Fuck the world, fuck the oceans, fuck everyone, just give me my damn paycheck!"... the rallying cry of fucking morons....

 

Tom, I feel similarly about the animals... Trust that I find it terribly depressing about the animals, but we have bigger fish to fry.

And although I agree that it may destroy the entire gulf coast and then some... I do not feel it's just jobs... If anyone listened to the Current today on CBC you would know exactly what i'm talking about. (the program is likely available online if you want to listen to it) but basically, entire livelihoods are ruined.. not just paycheques... people have lost everything. How do you sell a house in an area that no longer can employ people because the entire industry has been wiped out? People cant' move because they cant' sell their houses... so they cannot start a new life...

Anyway, I came back to the thread because of the article I referenced in my post... Now, this isn't the exact article I referenced in my post, but this article does discuss how 6 days before the explosion, there were MAJOR concerns.

So again, yes, I do blame BP. (and the US gov for not having protocols in place to be able to stop something like this if it ever occurred)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100614/business/us_gulf_oil_spill_washington

A couple quotes from the document.

"BP took measures to cut costs in the weeks before the catastrophic blowout in the Gulf of Mexico as it dealt with one problem after another, prompting a BP engineer to describe the doomed rig as a "nightmare well," according to internal documents released Monday."

"Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense," the lawmakers wrote in the 14-page letter to Hayward. "If this is what happened, BP's carelessness and complacency have inflicted a heavy toll on the Gulf, its inhabitants, and the workers on the rig."

 

Those jobs, those livelihoods.... they are gone, they literally have been destroyed... those people aren't out protesting to save the local bp stations and plants...

The people that are protesting about their jobs being lost because of the moratorium on drilling, are the people who work for BP (or similar companies), those who invested in BP, those whose livelihoods centered around the very cause of the destruction of the ones you are talking about.

BP is the one that is directly responsible for this accident happening...

The ones demanding more and more oil (the consumers) are the ones who are responsible for the atmosphere and the government that allowed it to happen.