I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

THIS POST IS AIMED AT RELAXX AND ONLY RELAXXX

Relaxxx, I dare you to go one day trying to believe in God. Actually try to believe in a God, then see how you feel towards the end of the day. During one or tow periods in my life, I have questioned the existance of God once or twice in my life, and those periods of my life were pretty depressing. Once you grasp the concept of God, things get so much brighter. Trust me, and go one day believing in God, you don't have anything to lose. You don't know how happy you CAN be until you've experianced true happiness and peace of mind.

You've shown that your really quite intelligent, but in your heart you are a fool.

 

i dont believe in the afterlife, but i dont fear death. i have come to terms with the fact that at any moment, for whatever reason, i could die. ive realized worrying about dying servers no purpose. i see it as reason to try my best to minimalize physical risk as much as possible, and so far its working

 

^I don't think anyone with a healthy attitude towards life (regardless of what they think or believe) is scared of death. That's an untrue claim about all atheists being scared of death, I don't know a single one that is. I think it is more likely that people afraid of death would take comfort in a religion that made up a dream about some great afterlife.

Nik, I think the experiments that you mention, the positions of the particles were not random or chance but determined by the person that was observing it. Besides that, what is wrong with randomness, chance, chaos and the unknown, it seems like the universe would be a unbearably dull place without it.

 

life is just animation of flesh, not the sacred thing everyone thinks it is. it's quite possible life evolved.

 

God shook my hand,
Empty doorway.
He told me to take off my rockstar glasses, and to play more attention because I will rule this world. something or other about corruption and greed, I was too busy mixing up the first shot of the morning. God says "LeeeeSSSt", I give him an expression of heavenly delightful. He flips me off and makes some coffee, I learned that he drank it how he likes his women... cheap. God sat down on my beanbag. the orange one with the cigarette burns and told me to shut up, to sit, and then to shut up again. I sat on his lap and he fed me peaches and bullshit until nighttime. I turned on the light and I could figuere out what that God took away with at least three of my cigarettes. I saw the **** cutting a corner down on his scooter, he slick like that, and you see... I drew an eye, pointed packwards on my eyes... and jumped out the window in persuit. I only broke 23 bones, but that's no wonder. I kept on chasing the wanker, I even showed a business man out of the way... he was one of those bulky ones who were going to the local beachfront bar to do cocaine off their suitcases while checking out the menu of ladies all around. This businessman ordered a brunette and ate half of her mid-section while rubbing her toasted nipple with his free hand. Drinks were on the house.

 

I don't believe in god. It's fine if you do, but don't come into here and try and force us to believe what you do.

 

there are no proofs, only observations, and the degree to which we are able, or unable, to avoid deceiving ourselves about them.

an athiest is someone who has figgured out there doesn't have to be a god in order for there to be a belief.

an agnostic is someone who has figgured out there doesn't have to be a belief in order for there to be a god.

whatever we think we know about it, in any sort of tangable litteral sense, is only each other's words for it.

which neither proves nor disproves anything other then our own, mostly innocent, ignorance.

i, like many others, have felt the presence of something we cannot deny. yet i, and at least some of them, see no clear connection between it, and the words, written or spoken anywhere, by anyone.

=^^=
.../\...

 

That's funny I dont think there is anybody there holding you at gun point to read this... If your here now and reading this it's beacause of your own curiosity.

 

I'm not saying anyone forced me to read this. I'm saying some random Christian person came in here and tried to tell us that they can prove there's a God. They can't. This is the atheist/agnostic forum, not the "Let's try and prove there's a God!!" forum. I only came in here to tell them not to post stuff about proving god in this forum.

 

Okay, so there is faith in your fate.

... and to awnser your question I sure as shit can't jump on my twelve speed and chase after them and catch them before they dissapear dude. But that is my question and my problem, your problem, and OUR PROBLEM. Until we can scientifically prove where the hell these particles are going, we are stuck with a HUGE PROBLEM aren't we?

Physics does a good job of defining why all things happen they way they do say in the scene of an accident. It takes all the guess work out of why the cars felw around the way they did why buddy flew out the window and why the moose flew 20 feet across the road etc etc... but the same laws of physics take a royal dump when they try to explain THE NATRUAL PROPERTIES of the MATTER involved in the crash. Why did the steel by nature give way under the force applied? a man can swing a hammer at it for all eternity and it won't give way. Why by nature should a train colliding into it make it give way so easily? and I swing a life away at it to make it bend the same way? Am i the only person who is made curious by this?

The study of these said properties is Quantum Mechanics man. You can't avoid this. Setting string theory aside, and paralell deimensions, and all this "unproven" theory aside as well, this still leaves us with a very BIG problem.
You cannot have two views of the universe. One is saying everything makes sense and is calculatable, and the other makes the entire universe out to be a giant roulette table...?

Which is it, DEFINDED, true, obeservable, testable? or just a series of randomness? Both?

Holiday Whobie Whattie?

I'll come back to my quote that I italicized and placed in bold in your post. I operate on the same level...

Personally, I don't believe in science. I don't need a test to prove diddly squat. My belief system lies in MATH. Numbers don't lie my friend. If i put two table in front of you with an apple on each one, and then I take the two and combine them on one table, i now have two apples on one table. What was one and one is now two... 1 plus 1 equals 2.

Now, here is the crazy part... since 1995, paralell dimensions have been proven to exist mathematically. Sorry. This is the beggining of where my view of the universe and yours take a lil turn for the worse. By accepting paralell universes I personally basically accept that there can exist things right there in front of us operating that we just cannot PERCEIVE through OUR SENSES. God is not such CRAZY concept for me now that mathematically, paralell universes are proven to exist.

Shrugs, it's just my view sorry. I know you will need the tests to prove it for you that's fine... no sweat, You gotta admit though... Its sure gonna be one fast F*^!ING 12 speed that's going to catch up to those particles and show us where exactly they are going

 

and plus you gotta admit, since were on the topic of luck...

HA and double HA!

it's quite a remarkable coincidence that these membrane like strings are thought to be the smallest entity in all matter that has come into creation in the universe and this kinda very VERY closely resembles the model we use to graphically represent DNA, the smallest entity of matter in our bodies...

Or is it a coincidence?

For some strange reason I personally don't think so...

 

Ah good point ... I see where your coming from now.

I appologize.

LOL! Makes for one hell of a sweet convo though!

whew!

 

^ Lol. Long thread.

 

this is the reason why religion and gods such as the one you believe in exist.. because people are insecure, and can't handle that we exist for no real reason at all.. you need a purpose.. why?

what gives me comfort is just thinking "what are the chances?".. anything that ever has happened, is happening or is going to happen.. it's all just probability.. you change one thing, and consequently many other things will eventually change as well.. that's evolution, that's how man has sprung into existence. not as a creation of some god.

i don't believe we will ever know the real answers.. not as humans.. perhaps in time..

many of you act as if our universe is the only universe.. perhaps our universe is contained in another even bigger universe.. and that one inside an even bigger one.

god as i see it would essentially just be the start of time. where or when are questions that could never be answered.. we'd need to know "god's language" i think before we'd be able to figure this out.. we have no control over time, we can't look into the past and we can't foretell the future.. until we have that power i don't believe we shall ever know the true nature of "god".. though i can almost assure you all that 'god' did not create us, we are just an unintentional product of whatever this 'god' was billions and billions of years ago.

 

well if we arent to talk about proving or disproving god, what else is there to discuss within the atheist/agnostic forum?

 

Why we believe what we do, not just "i can prove it"

 

I can prove the existence of my balls right now.

 

Originally Posted by Yeal
I like believing in a God, it makes me happy. When I doubt my God, it makes me sad and makes me feel lonely and unsheltered in the universe.


The universe is a lonely unsheltered place. So living in a make believe snowglobe makes it better???

 

Lmao!!

 

you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.....