humanitarian disaster in fallujah

Hospital in Mosul gets taken over by coalition troops

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1355275,00.html


Red Cross condemns war crimes and aid agencies start to pull out because of safety issues

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4027163.stm

It just gets fucking worse

 

they couldn't possibly be people wanting to live their lives in their own place, their own homes, wishing that they had never gotten caught up in all this mess, wanting nothing to do with it but for some strange territorial (AKA natural) reasons feel very strongly about being made to move out of their homes and put in crappy camps somewhere uncomfortable and so adamantly refuse to leave?

well feck me they deserve to be killed horribly, maybe with a limb or two blown off and then a slow bleeding to death with much pain and anguish for other family members?

as for the troops doing a good job..... sorry if I don't trust our governments/ the US governments motives...... There are plenty of greater humanitarian tragedies in other nations that we don't get involved in, and plenty of humanitarian tragedies actually created by our nations and the multinationals we support that could be very easily remedied/controlled by us that we do nothing about.....

 

aid workers being killed does not cause bad press for the 'allies'. It happens all the time with no press coverage, but now and then it does get coverage but only when it suits the 'allies' by making the opposition look bad.

 

Again fair enough.. i realise this.

 

Yes your right, but these people would have had the sense to leave. Wait for their country to be cleared of both sides and moved into a fairer city and a better futur..if they don't, i will personaly paint the placard that i will start waving outside No. 10.

No person in the middle deserves to die , if you think this is what i think then i apologise for not expressing my thoughts very well..

That did not answer why you don't think the soldiers are doing a good/bad job in this situation ?.

 

It's not that simple. Where are they going to go? How are they going to get there? What are they going to eat? What are they going to drink? How will they keep warm? What will they do if they need clothes? Where are they going to sleep? How will they look after their children?

 

There were many humanitarian disasters during World War II, but that did not invalidate the cause of the allies in itself. Personally I don't think there was any other way of ridding Falluja of terrorists other than hitting them with everything we've got. If we had gone in softly softly the insurgents would still be there in control of the city.

 

hmmmmm.........

 

Trolling again? I don't recall mentioning anything about whether the cause was noble or not. We were having a conversation about whether humanitarian aid should've been allowed into the city. I take it you've still not managed to find any friends then?

 

Didn't expect a troll to stick to his word did you Claire?

 

That is our moral responsibility . We do a darn site more that the insurgents..do you know what they actualy do ??.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/325/world/Red_Cross_deeply_concerned_by_:.shtml

Going on what the red cross point out , our side has taken direct and positive steps to rid its force of people that violate such codes .. I think their is no comparison to what we do and they do (i know you never said that , i am just saying that ) .. When some one from the other side steps up and says 'This is creating a humanitarian disaster ... please lets stop all this' that would solve a lot of problems .

 

With respect, you're avoiding the question. You suggested that innocent citizens should leave the city. I repeat..... where are they going to go? How are they going to get there? What are they going to eat? What are they going to drink? How will they keep warm? What will they do if they need clothes? Where are they going to sleep? How will they look after their children?

How would you survive if advised to walk away from your life with immediate effect and just, y'know, leave the city with what you could carry on your back? Think about it.

 

This is were aid agencies and govermental organisations step in..it is a question of logistics i realise that , and don't have any ultimate answers but the mere fact that we try is better than fighting for a people and not doing a fucking thing about the people you are suposedly trying to 'liberate'...

If i had to do that i would ask the people that i support to do everything that i needed to survive...and that as soon as my city was cleared of waring factions and as soon as i am happy that i will be safe , i would ask them again to re house me and try and contiue with whatever life i had before..hopefuly though with not as much fear and distrust ....

 

This is the problem. It doesn't matter who's responsibility it is, or whether the war is right or wrong. The bottom line is you expect people to leave the city, but they have nowhere to go.

 

So who do you blame..?? it does matter who you blame ... and who and what certain groups are doing or not doing.

With greater respect i think you avoided a few questions yourself...but i do realise what your saying and that you have a point.

It is always the innocent bystanders that get fucked over. pardon my language it does piss me off.

 

I'm not avoiding any questions. They simply relate to issues that are not the point that I'm attempting to address here. I'm specifically concerned that you expect civilians to leave Fallujah, and yet there's nowhere for them to go. By all means debate in other threads or at other times whose fault this is, but at this moment and in this place, I'm attempting to illustrate to you that you're expecting people to do a thing that is, for the majority of them, practically impossible.

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002095410_iraqdig19.html

Many do have a place to go, but your right many don't.

The added burden that has been put upon other places is creating a 'humanitarian crisis' ...one that can be resolved hopefuly..