Huge Explosion in Oslo + Massacre, 92 Dead! Killer Conservative, Right-Wing Christian

Ok,, least I wasnt imagining that myself..

 

for those who like to speculate about the possible backgrounds

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7219&start=0

 

we are being frightened by christians. its so wrong it defies further commentibg.

 

Many posts in this thread appear to express a gleeful exuberance with the background, i.e. the political and/or religious beliefs of the perpetrator of a truly heinous act. Are some using the deaths of innocent victims to put forward an argument in favor of their own views?

The bombing and subsequent attack on the camp was the act of an extremist – whatever additional labels are correctly applied to him is irrelevant – the injuring and killing cannot be justified by any political, religious, or economic belief or philosophy and should not be celebrated.

 

I suspect that YOU were behind these attacks, you lost-generation-no-social-conscience baby boomer!

 

Haven't you adopted that same dualism with your left/right distinction?


I do feel that calling this guy's views "extreme" is not entirely accurate. A lot of people unfortunately have these same views and consider them normal, but he was just willing to go to extreme lengths to carry them out.

I mean, I can hold an ideology which says everyone must be treated equally, which is fairly normal and most people hold, but it's not suddenly made extreme if I decide to murder 100 people to support that ideology.

 

The quotes are not even remotely similar in meaning – even those with rudimentary understanding of the English language and barely capable of cohesive thought easily understand the difference. I'm sorry that you found making a distinction between the two meanings difficult.

The shooter had “final words”? I wasn’t aware that he had been killed.

“Discussing” is much different to the celebratory nature of most posts “reporting” the tragedy. And how, without gross misunderstanding of the written word, are my beliefs so “apparent”? To use your own words: “you don’t know me… so don’t assume.”

Embracing "dualism" seems to occur as much, or more, here as anywhere else. Several of your posts in this thread are excellent examples of such.

As fully expected, you close with an attempt of personal insult (based on further assumption) and the “my way or the highway” dismissal of differing opinion. Such is accepted for what it truly is: lack of ability to engage in honest debate and paranoid belief that any disagreement is criticism – all neatly wrapped in a thick layer of hypocrisy.

 

Good question!

Maybe a more accurate description of Breivik’s beliefs and certainly his actions would be “extremely extreme”. As stated, it is unfortunate that others hold the same views as his and consider such views “normal”. Thankfully, few go the same lengths to carry out or further such views. Even so, this does not lessen the extent of Breivik’s views being “extreme” – a term expressing relative difference with the views of most others.

Based on my own in-depth discussions with (less than a handful of) what I consider fundamentalist, right-wing, Christians, and having read (only) a portion of Breivik’s “manifesto”, his views certainly seem “extreme” in comparison. In my view his actions were beyond even that to the point of absolute insanity and could not have been based on any Christian belief.

Extremists exist in all cultures and are of varying beliefs and philosophies.

 

Yes, you're probably right. I would probably consider his views as extreme even if he did not decide to kill 90 people for them. There is always an unavoidable relativism in these things though, because what is an extreme ideology depends on what the rest of us are thinking, which i'm not sure can ever be said for mass-murdering your own countrymen.

 

I cant support the killing of children., but I dont care about a building..

 

the one who is exploiting the human tragedy here is Quintus. He obviously didn't like all the most obvious rage about this so badly interpreted christianism, to say the least , and decided to play this little sneaky card to make all us feel like intellectual jackals of sort attempting to divert the blame from the insane act to an innocent set of beliefs - christianism.Needless to say, one single troll is not going to silence us. We are obviously NOT putting Mother Teresa from Calcutta on the same field of charlie manson, but at the same time we can't ignore the FACT that there is a whole bunch of pretty scary so-called «christians» who have a rather funny attitude about human life, have a look at J.W. Bush and his peers as an example. you know it's the kind of christians thinking that war can be morally acceptable. they're a big serious threat, and the norway hecatomb is a terrible example of this. got that NOW?

 

Et pourquoi pas l'inverse ?

 

Norwegian government officials have stated that this incident was possible because the nation is very open, and the best way to react is to become more open, and NOT to tighten in civil liberties.

Can you imagine what a wonderful place the world would be if all leaders were as human and reasonable as the Norwegian ones?

Agreed. His views aren't all that original or extreme, but his actions were clearly those of a deranged lunatic. This is not a reflection on christian fundamentalists, rather a reflection of the darkness of human nature, an insight into how heinous we can be.

Fundamentalism is fundamentalism, regardless of religious background.

EDIT: I wrote much more, apparently there is a limit to how long your post can be in the news section?.. Most of my post is missing, and I can't be bothered writing it again.. Most notably, a man in Poland has been arrested and charged with accessory to murder, and the death toll has been reduced with a new official number to be released today, and the Norwegians are more united than ever in the face of this tragedy.