Why would you even ask if it's fun? Brain damage is not fun in any way, unless you're still so messed up you can't realize that you are screwing hard core with your nervous system.
u serious? who says its brain damage? its not brain damage, at least there's no proof of it...and ppl recover from it, it's not forever so it can't be brain damage...research
I'm remembering why I stopped posting here for a long time. Take so much L you can't read anymore and get back to me on the whole brain damage thing.
for real, i know my shit on this subject...it is not brain damage, ive read too many articles to count, n not wikipedia or that lame-ass shit....real research articles and am currently working on my own research paper on a theory behind the cause of HPPD considering it does not last permanently...i work side-by-side with neuroscience professionals and neurosurgeons and have discussed the topic in depth. LSD causes no physical damage, and HPPD subsides...dont act like i dont kno what the hell is going on
in my researched and what i consider very knowledgeable opinion it is not brain damage as much as brain adjustment...neural plasticity...it goes back, look up some effects of high frequency stimulation and its effect on neuron action potentials...dont talk if u dont know what ur talking about
NeuroDr is absolutely right. HPPD is NOT brain damage. At least not in the traditional sense. Is it a dysfunction of the brain? Yes, but it is not brain damage. It's just a change in brain chemistry. Man, NeuroDr, you'd fuckin love my advisor here at LFC. Guy does mainly Alzheimer's research and lets undergrad students run the show. Unbelievable what this guy knows about the brain, although he's on sabbatical this year.
ya. its def not brain damage. In all honesty, I would go so far as to argue what most call HPPD is actually a more natural, original, state of the brain and the only reason people thinking walls and eyesight is supposed to crisp and clean, devoid from any electron air static, auras or geometric energy patterns is because thats what television has been showing them it's supposed to look like their entire life. I mean I have read in a couple books of yoga now where they describe such effects people would call HPPD, only they say its a natural result of attaining higher meditational level. One of them, raja yoga, even going so far as to say that if you see the 'specs of bursting energy' that you are 'getting close'. It's merely the third eye, I would not doubt that every spiritually accomplished person who has got the third eye open even by purely sober means knows "HPPD" very well. Just that when people pried it open with a psychedellic and go in with that whole connotaiton of 'drug may be bad' and 'drugs can have side-effects, they think there new found awareness of the natural structure of eyesight is a 'disorder'. The truth is, our eyesight is the process of thousands of organic cells, energy flows and molecular/atomic (energetic) geometric structures. Where did people get the idea that your brain damaged because your vision actually resembles the subjective nature of how eyesight naturally functions. That just seems absurd.
It lasted as long as I had fear from it. Only when I accepted it completly, but completly to the deepest level of my every cell and when I made it not so important anymore it stopped.
HPPD is a BAD thing if you want to be a pilot or a cosmologist. before you 'learned' or 'ignorant' people debate whether HPPD is 'brain damage' you need to establish what even constitutes brain damage in the first place. Basically the best way to define brain damage, imo, is any permanent change in the brain's structure that reduces its possible functions. HPPD doesnt usually last forever. Perhaps HPPD is only temporary. Perhaps it is permanent, but our brain simply regrows some neuron configurations and then gets over it. these are all possibilities. quite frankly, NeuroDr, you should learn to be a bit more humble with your selfrespects. Just having read lots of studies does not make you unquestionable. Who said brain damage cant be repaired? 'Leg damage' includes flesh wounds, but by your reasoning, NeuroDr, only amputations or deep scarring would count as leg damage. and lets all not forget that 'HPPD' isnt any 'thing' at all!! it is a word that denotes any sort of lasting perceptual disturbance that persists even when the drug is not considered to be in effect anymore. This could involve anything.
Bill, last time I checked, damaged to the cells of the brain is what constitutes brain damage, and that damage is most definitley permanant. Of course the brain grows it's way around it, the brain adapts, accepts and grows around any injury that it can withstand and still function in some manner. The real question is, is if your worried about cell degeneration or damage, why are you people touching drugs? I in fact quite enjoy waking up to obscene amounts of beer and whiskey at 8am, and have no qualms with breathing walls, memory loss, or slight retardation. If I were, I would keep clear of my precious brain that is going to last forever and not damage it because I am immortal.
When did I ever say such a thing De? Perhaps a rereading of the post is in order here, because I was only expounding upon the definition of brain damage and said not one thing about the aftermath of LSD. All drugs have the effect of making you snap, and if one is worried about something like minor cell damage (ie - alcohol effect), one should think twice about taking any kind of drugs.
BUT being able to see the structure of energy and auras of things is an added function. By your definition I think one could only conclude that lack of HPPD is brain damage.
Permanent would be there even if the brain adapted and grows around it and such, damage to the cells of the brain that is able to be repaired is not permanent and i guess you could only call that brain damage, just you seem to associate both to being permanent. Im no scientist, i dont wish the degeneration of my cells. I thought lsd just affected brain chemistry, not doing damage to cells. I have no idea really though. I do realize that ive noticed no detrimental effect on cognitive functions since my use of psychedelics. If anything, they have increased. Also i agree with rygoody and view any post use hppd to seeing the real way of the world, perhaps more cellular level, that might just be ignorance though.
I think that the very fact that people can 'see' auras due to hppd is evidence to throw out the idea of auras all together. If you really do believe that you have gained function from hppd then you could hardly say youve got brain damage. unless you believed there was a part of your brain that prevented these experiences from happening.. but if it was constantly in action, inhibiting these sensations your whole life until you take LSD and damage this preventor, the neurons would probably all just die/shut down from overload, and youd have neither the preventor nor what it is preventing. I think that when we view the world, our brain configures what comes fro mthe eyes into a 'reality'. somehow, drugs can cause us to have new experience 'types'. we experience breathing walls for example, from stationary input. if this relationship between stimulus and experience occurs stongly and in neurons that are proliferating, they may connect in ways that lead to competition between your default mode of experiencing and this new way of experiencing. However, it will be a fairly weak competition. smoking pot can equalise neurons, and make competition between neuron configurations more balanced, and thus can bring out these sensations. so can simply being run down, or perhaps focussing your mind into some 'brain wave state' or something similar.
Guess what - no one really knows how LSD works. No one really even knows how the brain works on any meaningful level. So, it's hard to talk about brain damage in general, much less how it relates to a certain substance. I usually play devil's advocate with stuff like this... there are so many people on here who think LSD is basically harmless. Why? Because they want to believe that. They want to take it without fear and they don't want to feel guilty for what they might have put their brain through. Guess what? LSD is not harmless. LSD can affect the capacity of the brain to function in very bad ways. My friend did a thumbprint and he couldn't read for several months. Yes, that was a thumbprint, and yes, it subsided (it has never fully gone away!), but if you don't think that something like that is really screwing with your brain, your eyes are closed. I met this guy at a show once who looked like he might have some L, and I asked him... he was a total zombie. "I gotta stop eating L..." And yes, people really do sometimes end up in mental hospitals from taking L. If you don't consider the onset of permanent psychosis brain damage, then you have a moronic definition of brain damage. I just get a real laugh when people say things like HPPD is a more natural state of the brain hahahahaha Yeah, I'm sure that's what nature intends, for us to take so many psychedelics that we can't read anymore and have no depth perception. I think I'm going to have to promise myself not to respond to stuff like this in the future, because I really hate arguing, and any time I or anyone else says something that isn't in total submissive worship to the "perfect holy sacrament of LSD," I or he/she immediately has 8 people jumping down his throat. Believe whatever you want. Once again, I leave you with a challenge - if you really think LSD is so safe for your brain, just keep eating it. I am not at all saying LSD is on the whole bad. I don't regret my experiences. But I have seen even Ken Kesey admit that there is a price one pays for eating LSD. Why can't so many of you admit the same?
Im going to have to agree with Allen on this one actually. It is a form of damage, no doubt about it. You either do the damage and care less, or bitch about something you are doing to yourself willingly. I just dont give a flying shit because my retarded antics with drugs and alcohol have a much deeper secret bubbling under the surface the finger pointers are able to see namaste
