How To Get To Heaven When You Die

No I actually mean't dieing--there are countless hordes of disgruntaled t-shirt makers all over the world right now makeing tyedyes for our sins.

I don't see how it's going to help but I want one.

 

isn't making a tie-die in 2005 a sin in itself?

 

See? It all evens out.

 

Love God, Love your neighbor, Love your enemies.

 

yeah, i see him on tv harrassing people about god and such..
What ever happened to good ol Mike Seaver

 

that was beautiful and i truly feel everything you said.

 

but jesus was god... as there is god in everything.. get it? jesus DID speak in metaphors.

 

Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
sex sex sex and don't forget the violence
blah blah blah with your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
put your stupid slogan here........
Everybody sing along!

 

Well once you die walk down to 23rd street and take the bus to 2nd avenue. Get out at the North Street station, walk four blocks and hang a left. If you see the Starbucks youve gone too far.

 

Yes many honorable fire fighters, police officers, soldiers and various other service men and civilians have died because of the sins and irresponsibile actions of others. The difference is that first of all they died to protect the people. They did not die for their sins as Jesus did. They could not have died for theirs sins because they were sinners themselves. Only a perfect person could come and die for another's sins. That's why only Jesus could have done it, because He lived a perfect life and died in our place, if we will receive what He did on the cross.

 

Let's get this straight. No one ever died for anyone else's sins. But a bunch of people believe that someone did because a couple of hundred years (minimum 8 generations!) later someone decided that's what they wanted to believe and wrote it down, despite the 1st person in question never stating it at all.
If you want to believe the bible, get a "red letter" bible where the words of "christ" are written in red ink. Read the words written in red ink, discard the rest ~ because no one knows where in the world they come from, who in the world wrote them, or when they might have been written. Faith is one thing. Belief is another. Sensibility is something else again.
The red words won't lead you astray into the mire of deception that is the church.

 

i think thats the first semi intelligent thing youve said yet

 

Yes, I get it. I do believe the real Jesus was very much in tune with our maker, and spoke (in metaphor) from a higher place. I personally avoid the use of the name God, as much as possible. As I said I am a Taoist, and for me the name God, is intended to discribe the God of the Judism, and it's two off shoots, Christianity and Islam. It's a defined by man maker. The God that told Joshua that it's ok to slaughter thousands of women and children and take their land and homes from them. (Read the book of Joshua with an open mind and think about why the Palistinians hate them.- and no I'm not anti-semetic, just anti religious self righteousness)

As a taoist, I don't believe in a human definition of (the tao) the maker of all things, the ultimate truth, the perfection. God, is a definition by man to control other people.
For example, the jews must have had people dieing from eating bad, or undercooked pork, so the next thing you know, GOD said don't eat pork.
Any problems that would arise in society, like say, too many children being born out of wed lock and not having a father around to raise them and keep them out of trouble, they'd just say, "God, said it's a sin to be born out of wedlock". In many ways I can understand that. The people in most cases were too ignorant or uneducated to understand the situation and deal with it intelligently so why not just scare them into a harmonious behavior. But the problem is, that type of society never really matures into one that can sovle it's problems through reason and self discipline. And those at the top who control the religion may turn their God into an evil puppet. They can start wars by putting words into their "Gods" mouth.
History is full of man using "GOD" as an excuse for killing and stealing land, and looking down on others.
So, "one nation UNDER GOD", I don't think so. You know that line was added to the pledge of allegence at the hieght of the cold war with the Soviet union because the Soviets were anti-religion. (Not that I would defend the soviets for supressing religious freedom. As much as I believe in freedom FROM religion, I believe in freedom of belief and thought too)
That line, makes America a nation for those of Judean base religions only.
It covers, Jews, Muslims and Christians, but what about the rest of us Americans? What if the Christians were to narrow the definition down one more step and say, "one nation under Jesus", how would the Jews and Muslims feel about that. Those who think the name God, is universal to cover all religions knows nothing about Taoism, Budism or the Hindu religions.

 

PS Mr xfrodobagginsx-
Are we going to have an intelligent debate or not. You just seem to wanna resond to the easy shots. You wanna get deep on this subject or are you just gonna keep pulling your sting and repeating what you've been taught.
That sounded mean, sorry, just wanna see if you are listening.

 

I am listening but is there a debate going on here? What do you want to debate? I believe the bible is God's word. Do you? If so then you had better listen to what it says. If not, why not.

If you would like my personal experience with God please read my thread "'What Jesus did for me". Here are just a small fraction of the reasons that I believe that the bible is God's word these are just basic reasons. This does not include the tons prophecies that have come true, the way it fits together as one book, my personal experiences with God, it's historical and scientific accuracy:

The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life.

Think about it. Could Sam write a book in California, and Bill write a book in Canada, and Ralf write a book in Mexico and it fit together as one book? The bible did this 40 times, 66 books! It's God's word.

 

Wow, who'd have thought that such a conversation would take place outside the religion forums. Don't get me wrong, it's as much a random thoughts topic as every other random thoughts topic, it just suprises me. What suprises me more is the reletively benign way that it is being discussed. In the religion forums, people with so many differing viewpoints would be tearing each other apart (well, sometimes its fun). BRAVO!

I am not christian, I'm very spiritual though - I'm not the kind to proselytize (philosophize, yes), and I've long ago given up trying to challenge the belief systems of others (as long as they don't threaten me - I don't mind being challenged, but I really hate being threatened or coerced). Believe in your religion (whatever it may be - everyone has one, even atheists)! Talk about it all you wish - the First Ammendment is sacred to me and I will defend your right to speak, but please have the wisdom to know when you are beating a dead horse, and stop. "Some of the seed fell into the ether and was lost in an electronic haze..."

 

In some ways you're right about beating a "beating a dead horse". I suppose I'm taking this too seriously because I'm having a difficult time finding a school for my daughter. The only ones in this area that aren't going to "indoctrinante my child to God" are either too expensive or just bad schools. I thought I had her in one that was ok, but I was wrong. I live in the heart of the bible belt. Over the past years I've seen the religeous right push itself more and more into my face and I sometimes feel the need to push back.
Where I believe you are wrong about "beating a dead horse", I feel that the voices of reason don't speak out enough because they feel it's a waist of time. I have a sister who, along with her husband, raised their 5 kids as right wing born again christians. I always spoke my mind around them. Many would think I was beating a dead horse, but in my mind I believed I was helping. I've seen so many "good christian kids" once they move out and taste freedom, completely reject what they've been taught and go in an opposite and negative direction. When religious people have a serious "crisis of faith" and begin to see the holes in the dogma of their religion I feel it's good for them to have been exposed to alternative faith ideas.
They may not listen now, but they do hear. The two oldest of my sisters sons, are no longer religious. One has a good spiritual balance in his life and the other has a bad cocaine problem and is very off balance. Yet, when he does seek advice, he has come to me and not his parents. I do believe he will get his shit together in time.
By trying to debate here on this post I don't expect to convert anyone. I'm just attempting to plant alternative thoughts in their heads that I hope might help them sometime in the future.
I myself have learned a great deal from others in retrospect. And I'm sure they thought I wasn't even listening.

 

Yes, it's true that many religious children as well as many non-religious children go through a rebellious stage. However, the truth is that they almost always come back to the Lord because in the end, they come the understanding the God's word really is the truth. By keeping your children away from the teachings of the bible, you are damning them. They are going to have chaotic, miserable lives without God. What do you think is causing all of the problems in these schools with shootings and killings? They took God and the bible out and His morals and it's no wonder that the kids have no direction in life or concept of right and wrong. You wonder why your kids have problems and you kicked God out of their lives.

 

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People go back to religion and the bible because they're scared. Congradulations, you're propaganda is working. They're scared that there really is a hell, and they're going to go to it for not bowing down and sucking your God's cock. It's a huge scare tactic. "Believe in God or go to hell."

Try to tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead and try to tell me that that's not what you fucks teach. You're "Accept God and be Saved" bullshit. You people make me sick.

Stop pretending. Why is there religion. One word: MONEY. And all you are falling for it like the suckers that you are. And you deserve it for promoting your scare tactics.