How intense could a salvia trip be

It's not really a perception, salvia can be very sinister.

In my last trip for example, I was completely oblivious to the fact I'd taken a drug and I was speaking with a woman who said something very menacing to me. I don't remember what but it gave me the distinct impression that something bad was going to happen to me.
Then I got stuck in a fragment of a second, the music i was listening to was skipping violently, playing the same fragment of sound over and over again. Also, I was completely paralysed. Then I began rotating around to the left quickly and left a trail of a load of clones of myself behind me. This is when I finally managed to break free and stand up, then my surroundings slowly began to change back in to my living room and I saw the pipe on my desk. Oh yeah... salvia.

Don't get me wrong, I've had some beautiful experiences too, especially on sub-break through doses for some reason.
I remember once watching a smear of paint on the wall turn in to the silhouette of a bird and it start flying across the wall.

 

If it isn't really a perception, then how can you perceive the quality of "sinister"?
In the end, everything is just perception, because the only way you perceive anything is in relation to yourself.

 

Yeah i agree with neo exactly how the trip is "sinister" and how that is the magic part about it. Whenever i do salvia, its just like How scared can i make myself and then scaring myself is an accomplishment. Salvia is not for pussys.

 

No, words like 'sinister' have definitions so we don't have to perceive them.

Sinister
baleful, threatening or foreshadowing evil or tragic developments; "a baleful look"; "forbidding thunderclouds"; "his tone became menacing ...

 

I guess I'm going right over your head.
Sorry.

 

No, you just aren't making much sense.
Your talking about people percieving things which are set in stone in different ways.

 

All I meant was that there was nothing "sinister" inherent in salvia.
Salvia only becomes sinister or pleasant or whatever to the person who perceives it in that way.
How is the perception of salvia being sinister set in stone?

 

Everybody i talked to thinks salvia is scary.

 

Ah, I thought you were talking about perception of the word sinister.
I didn't mean salvia itself is sinister, I meant that for some reason it has a tendancy to be quite strange and evil although it can be beautiful too.
It's almost like it doesn't want you to smoke it.

The first few times I had no idea what I was going to experience but it still had a very sinister side to it.

 

I don't want to get all supernatural here, but a lot of people talk about the "spirit of the plant", and how respect is a key part of how your trip is going to play out.
Let's face it - Salvia as a psychedelic substance is largely disrespected right now on a massive collective scale. People who haven't smoked it hate it and fear it, the majority of people who have smoked it do so in a recreational fashion as though it is a herbal alcohol and don't really understand it, and the people who sell it abuse it by diluting the essence of the plant and putting it in stupid plastic packages with silly names.
When I smoke Salvia, I don't see me ingesting a substance, I see myself making contact with a being outside of myself, and this being is very angry and wrathful at all the abuse going on right now, and in my opinion, if you don't approach her with a very high level of respect, you are going to be on the receiving end of some of that anger and wrath.

 

Yeah thats why i do it too. Its also nice to know what death feels like and still be alive to tell about it.

 

Hmm... I can see why a lot of people say things like this but I'm not convinced.

I use salvia for the same reason I use other dissociatives and psychedelics, because it's a helluva ride. Whether that's a beautiful ride through the cosmos or completely losing my shit and being torn apart at the seams, I'll enjoy looking back on it later.
I can't see why if that were true it would have allowed me to have so many good experiences with it, surely the sinister experiences would far outweigh the good?

That being said, if you want to believe in Lady Salvia I'm not gonna attempt to stop you.

 

I doubt death is much like a salvia trip, haha.

 

To the extent that ive tripped, yeah it was more intense than dying and seeing past everything in to the spirit world.

 

i think it's good because it gives me a different perspective on EVERYTHING. i didn't notice it for a week after my most intense trip, i can't really say how long it lasts but it slowly fades.

the actual trip is kinda like observing my own mind from another's perspective.