How do you know God is real?

Damn this was real fuckin talk

 

This is the first paragraph from the article:
Amun, reconstructed Egyptian Yamānu (also spelled Amon, Amoun, Amen, and rarely Imen, Greek Ἄμμων Ammon, and Ἅμμων Hammon), was a deity in Egyptian mythology who in the form of Amun-Ra became the focus of the most complex system of theology in Ancient Egypt. Whilst remaining hypostatic deities, Amun represented the essential and hidden, whilst in Ra he represented revealed divinity. As the creator deity "par excellence", he was the champion of the poor and central to personal piety. Amun was self created, without mother and father, and during the New Kingdom he became the greatest expression of transcendental deity in Egyptian theology. He was not considered to be immanent within creation nor was creation seen as an extension of himself. Amun-Ra, likewise with the Hebrew creator deity, did not physically engender the universe. His position as King of gods developed to the point of virtual monotheism where other gods became manifestations of him. With Osiris, Amun-Ra is the most widely recorded of the Egyptian gods.[1]

Please show where, "it had "amen" listed as one of the words that came from "amun" in the very first paragraph" is said anywhere in the whole article, let alone the first paragraph.

The first paragraph only says Amen is a possible spelling for Amun and suddenly that means that when Christians say Amen they calling on the sun God? Amen is only used that one time in the whole article and not once does the article say anything about a connection to Christianity and you call that research?

You were doing better when you were just making it up.

 

I guess the fact I said I posted that after a quick google search for the purposes of this thread just went over your head.

Is this article better?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_the_term_Amen_come_from

originally it goes back to the Hebrew (cf. Semitic root 'mn I believe) word for "truly/truth"

It came before Jesus and even Hebrews...

This is how it come from History...

King Tut was a pharaoh in the 18th dynasty of ancient Egypt. He became the next King after Akenhaten at the age of nine. Because of his youth and inexperience, Commander Aye, who was his uncle as well as his private advisor, actually made the important decisions for him. One of the decisions Aye made was to return polytheism to Egypt. Polytheism is basically the belief in gods and goddesses. The cults of the god, Amen, as well as others, were revived.

Because of this change, King Tut, whose full name was actually Tutankhaten, changed his name to Tutankhamen. While his name had meant, "living image of Aten", his new name meant "living image of Amen." The young King also moved to Memphis, which was located near what we know as being Cairo today, and he lived in his father's Theban palace.

King Tut's short rule ended just nine years later, when he was just eighteen years old. The cause of his death is still questioned today, but it is assumed that he was murdered because he died from a blow to the skull.

The Egyptians looked upon their Kings as being gods; gods who would go on to have an after life. So, when King Tut died, his body was immediately, preserved by a method of embalming, and then it was mummified. King Tut's mummy was placed inside three coffins, one smaller than the next; the smallest coffin was made of solid gold. The outer two coffins were constructed of wooden frames with gold hammered over them. The coffins were finally placed inside a stone sarcophagus. The Golden Death Mask was placed over the boy's head, and valuables were place on the mummified body as well as inside the wrappings. The other rooms of the tomb were filled with the Golden Throne, a wooden war chest, furniture, a chariot, weapons, and other things that the Egyptians thought King Tut would need in his after life. The tomb was then sealed for protection, especially from robbers.

 

Moses wrote the Pentateuch between 1513-1473 B.C.E. and in Numbers and Deuteronomy he use amen 14 times, King Tut didn't live until 1341–1323 B.C.E., some 100 years later so please explain how King Tut's name had anything to do with Moses using the word amen 100 years earlier?

Also, while what you quote is interesting it does not make any connection between King Tut and the use of the word amen in the Hebrew language.

PS You might want to take into consideration that Hebrew is considered a Hamitic language whereas Egyptian is considered Semitic.

 

How do you know when Moses wrote anything?

How do you even know Moses existed?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Moses the one who split the Red Sea in half by tapping a stick on the ground or something similar?

Yea, you can put that story in the pile with Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark and the others.

If you got facts concerning Moses OUTSIDE of the Bible I'm all ears and I'll admit if I stand corrected on anything, but anything in the bible (especially a story) will be disregarded.

 

How do YOU know anything?

 

That's the thing, I don't know what happened 3000 years ago.

But I'm not the one defending the existence of human beings doing things humans aren't capable of, you are.

 

No, the thing is that you will keep defending things that you "believe", like the "Amen thing", until someone points out that it can't possibly be true then you duck behind your old; how can you know anything is true, dodge.

 

The Egyptian god Amen dates to the first eleven dynasties (3000-2000BC). Since Moses was raised as an Egyptian I would think that he would have known about the local religion and since the Jews were in Egpyt for 430 years they probably would have been influenced by other beliefs and vice versa. There isn't any concrete connection though.

Where did you get those dates for Moses? All I can find is 1271BC for his death.

 

I don't "believe" anything

And no one has come close to proving any biblical story as Truth

 

i know god is real because every night i feel god inside me deep inside me

 

I say god bless to people but I'm not religious. I don't know much of anything about the bible. I do know I believe in being a good person. Caring for others like you do yourself. I don't believe your sinning if you make choices that only involve you. I think that life is about living and learning, live and let live. I don't think a god should want you to put him first in your life. I have nothing against religion. It saved a lot of people from the wrong path. A lot of people put their conscious at rest by making themselves believe they now have someone as special as god looking out for them and that if they serve god, god will serve them. I still have more questions then anything.

I think a good movie you would like is Religulous. With Bill Mauer I think it is. It really makes you think because he comes at these "godly people" with facts and it turns out they don't have nearly as many answers as they portray.

 

No more than you've proven anything you "know" is true.

 

cause church was on T.V. this morning.. aired from Croatian Catholic ...
...

 

Most Christians or members of any religion don't know for sure whether or not their God or Gods are real. That is why it is referred to as faith or belief, and why it is often disputed. If the whole of Christianity for example could come along, and prove that God existed, there would be no such thing as religion, only a few people who tried to deny the existence of God, and the rest who knew he existed.

However I think it's completely irrational to believe that there is no God or greater being. The only reason much of humanity has lost its spiritual and religious nature is because we think we're something special. No, we're not.



-Matt

 

We're pretty special, just not as special as we think.

 

Buddha and God must of laughed pretty hard when that happened.....:rofl:

 

If they're into humour I'd say they did a great job on the human race as well. :biggrin:

 

I think a sense of humor is the only proof of God's existence a person should ever need.

 

I really dont know- but Im sure Ill find out .

But I do know this- the Jesus dude who lived on 9th ave ,by the port of authority in NY was full of shit- otherwise he wouldve just gotten free water and turned it to wine- instead of askin people everyday for wine money

keepinitreal
jjack