How can I compassionately ... hijack your thread?

Discussion in 'Buddhism' started by MollyThe Hippy, Dec 28, 2005.

  1. darrellkitchen

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    MTH: that is word jugglery that any religionist would speak likewise...

    All beings engage in "word jugglery" everytime they open their mouths. About the only ones who are accomplished in eliminating this "jugglery", which is really called "idle chatter" (Samphappalapa in Pali) or useless speech, are accomplished meditators. And not necessairly Buddhist meditators, but any accomplished meditator. Yes, even Yoga (Yogic) practitioners who practice meditation.

    MTH: anyways, i think one opens themselves up for a self imposed deception living reality through literal truths found upon pages prone to collect dust and other such ways one could get lost in verbal clutter

    That would be true, Molly, if ... and only if ... all the one did was read it without applying practice and application of the information found within those dust-collected prone pages. Like those who read ideals of others and accept their ideals as truth without finding out for themselves whether there is any ounce of truth to what they say. Evidence. Investigation.

    One persons truth, unless tried and practiced and found to be true through verifiable experimentation that can be repeated over and over with the same results, is another person's belief.

    The Buddha gave us the formula and the tools to try, investigate, study and practice to reach the conclusions on our own. To discover the truth on our own. The Buddha himself even said not to believe anything he said, but to try it on our own and discover the truth for ourself.

    No matter what I say, it can never be anything but belief if you "believe" what I or The Buddha says. Once you apply your own investigation and come to the same conclusions over and over, then it no longer becomes a belief, but a truth.

    Just saying that every being shares the same "One Consciousness" without any analytical proof is pure superstitious belief without a shread of evidence, verfiable at that. Everyone on the planet can "believe" it, but until there is a workable method to arrive at a truth, a belief is all it will ever be.

    What I quote from The Buddha, has been tried, tested, and has been found to be verifiable by everyone who has taken the time to discover the truth on their own, and can be just as verifiable by anyone else who would like to try to discover these truths. All it takes is a little ... well really a lot ... of effort, mindfulness, and concentration, after applying a little ... well, again really a lot ... of control over ones body, speech and mind.

    Nothing hard with that, except perhaps a tremendous amount of patience with your self and your mind in the beginning as you attempt to reign in the minds wanderings so you can at least analyze reality with a clear and stable mind.

    It's just as easy to give reasons why one cannot do this or that, than to just do it. Hense all the excuses like the ones from beginner meditators ... "Oh, it's too hard. I can't make the mind set still. I'm always wondering around from this thought to that thought." ... "Oh, I fall asleep all the time from relaxing too much" ... "Meditation always puts me into a trance" ... "That's too mysterious. I don't understand it" ... "Meditation is dangerous" ... "It's not for me, but for the monks and saints" ... "Oh, that's just 'running away' from reality" ... "I'm too busy" ... "It will cut into my 'getting-high' time" ... blah-blah-blah-blah-blah ... Excuses !!! Or how about this one ... this one is a real classic ... "One just opens themselves up for a self-imposed deception living reality through literal truths found upon pages prone to collect dust and other such ways one could get lost in verbal clutter". I never get tired of hearing that one ... !!!

    Yawwwwnnn !!! Oh well ... I'm getting tired right about now ... time for me to get to sleep!

    See you all in the morning!
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  2. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    Darrel, it seems like a Buddha movie will be coming out that hopefully will clarify all these ideas that we are splitting hairs over. It will be interesting to see who was right, you and Hikaru or Ganjaprince and I.

    Google may search for 'Buddha'

    Udit Prasanna Mukherji & Pradeep Gooptu / Kolkata

    BK Modi scouts for a face for $120 mn Shekhar Kapur film.

    January 09, 2006
    Buddha Films, the Hollywood-based entertainment outfit of the BK Modi group, is planning to tie up with the leading search engine of the world, Google, to launch a global hunt for the face that will play the title role in the film Buddha, the $120 million venture of the group.

    In an exclusive interview with Business Standard, the chairman of Buddha Films, BK Modi, who is now based in Beverly Hills, said preliminary discussion were on with Google for the global talent hunt.

    He said a lot of people across the globe had shown interest in playing the role of the Buddha, but not one matched the image of the Buddha.

    “A leading actor of the Japanese film industry has approached us for the role. But it was not an ideal match. We want to do the film in a way that it becomes a reference point for Buddhists and for mankind,” he said.

    According to Modi, the modalities of the hunt were still being discussed with Google.

    He made it clear that the hunt would be based on images of the Buddha generated by software engineers in Silicon Valley.

    “The software engineers have come up with wonderful images based on history and other information available from various Buddhist societies. We need a face that fits those images. The character of the man who will play the Buddha is also important,” he added.

    Several parallel streams have created different images of the Buddha. The Buddha was born six centuries before Christ in Kapilavastu, on the border of present-day India and Nepal, into a princely family, and had forbidden the creation of any image of himself.

    The Buddha was represented by an empty throne, or a pair of feet, or a wheel (kala chakra).

    Respecting this advice, Buddhists did not create any image of the Buddha till more than 500 years after his death, when artists of the Gandhara school in Kandahar combined Indo-Grecian influences, and Indian sculptors at Mathura created his first images.

    Three astounding images of the Buddha were destroyed by the Taliban in the Bamiyan hills in Afghanistan in the recent past. Stylised images of the Buddha can be seen in the Ajanta and Ellora caves. Hindus, respecting his divinity, later said the Buddha was an “avatar” or incarnation of Vishnu, and created another type of image of the Buddha.

    Contemporary texts described the Buddha as one who radiated the eternal peace and “nirvana” that he had attained in his life, and one with perfect eyes, elongated ear-lobes and exquisite limbs.

    Similar high profile movies on religious personalities, like the recent movie on the last days of Jesus Christ, were preceded by a limited search because the role was narrowed down to Caucasian actors despite the West Asian origin of the founder of Christianity, said a leading Indian producer who had earlier produced Satyajit Ray films.

    “Buddha” is the first project of the film company.

    It is to be directed by noted director Shekhar Kapoor, known for the epic period movie Elizabeth, on the medieval queen of England. He was in Kolkata for the 2550th Buddha Jayanti celebrations.

    Modi is the president of Mahabodhi Society of India.

    He pointed out that the software engineers appointed for creating the images of the Buddha were those who created the images in the Hollywood blockbuster Lord of the Rings.

    Lord of the Rings got Oscar nomination for its special effects.

    After Buddha, the group will produce 2-3 more big budget Hollywood movies which would be launched globally.
     
  3. GanjaPrince

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    Nobody is sitting in the throne, going nowhere, doing nothing!

    What a cosmic joke... I love the Buddhists that get it (which is all of em deep down)... It are sooooo funny.

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    It reminds me of my favorite book where Nobody is sitting in the chair. Ram Dass says, "If you're a somebody you may be hungry" which is why the chair is on the cover.



    Here is a translation for those that don't get the joke

    Nobody, NO BODY = Awareness beyond body deeper into the one conciousness that we all have, everywhere and everything.

    Nowhere, NOW HERE = The goal of the spiritual path to be NOW HERE, to go NOW HERE. As the Buddha reminds us, focus on the present moment.

    Doing NOTHING! = Nothing is happening, because it is just about BEING, if there is any doing happening, it is DOING YOUR BEING, which is nothing but being... BEING leads to oneness which leads to unity, which leads to realization of the one conciousness is all beings...

    Which leads to the ends of wars and sufferings, for why would the left hand hurt the right hand...

    "Nothing is gonna save my world" - John Lennon
     
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    Templedragon Peace through Spirit

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  5. GanjaPrince

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    Hehehe, yeah it does look like him... good thing you mentioned that... my friend logged on to my myspace, and added all these fucked up things, Like I was gay and into filipino men... man I had a good laugh... and he got off my beatles video and put on rick james what a sneaky fucker ;)

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    And all of you nuts that disagree, I hope you become peanut butter of one conciousness!
     
  6. darrellkitchen

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    A certain Bhikkhu once asked the Blessed Buddha:
    Venerable Sir, how should one know and see, in order to eliminate all ignorance and to facilitate the emergence of real and true knowledge?

    In this, Bhikkhu, when one has heard that: Nothing is worth clinging to, then one directly knows everything! Having directly known everything, one fully understands everything! Having fully understood everything, one sees and regards all aspects, signs and phenomena quite differently: As something remote, as something alien, as something other, and neither as something that is not 'me' nor 'mine', nor as an 'I', a 'self, or an 'Ego'!

    One regards the eye differently. One regards all forms differently. One regards consciousness of the seen differently. One regards all eye-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by eye-contact, one also experiences that quite differently... As something remote...

    One regards the ear differently. One regards all sounds differently. One regards consciousness of the heard differently. One regards all ear-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by ear-contact, one also experiences that quite differently... As something fairly foreign...

    One regards the nose differently. One regards all smells differently. One regards consciousness of the smelled differently. One regards all nose-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by nose-contact, one experiences that too quite differently. As something somewhat alien!

    One regards the tongue differently. One regards all tastes differently. One regards consciousness of the tasted differently. One regards any tongue-contact differently. Whatever feeling caused by tongue-contact one also experiences that quite differently... As something superficial...

    One regards the body differently. One regards all touches differently. One regards consciousness of the touched differently. One regards all body-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by body-contact, one experiences that too very differently... As something rather external!

    One regards the mind differently. One regards all thoughts differently. One regards consciousness of the thought differently. One regards all mental-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by mental-contact, one also experiences that differently... As something utterly detached !!!

    When, Bhikkhu, whoever knows and sees all signs thus, ignorance is left behind by him and real and true knowledge has emerged...



    The Grouped Sayings of the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya. Book IV
    Section 35: On The 6 Senses.
    The Elimination of Ignorance
    : 80.
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  7. GanjaPrince

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    Darrel we must remember that Buddha spoke a different language then english...


    I bet you could get a different translation and Buddha was probaly using conciousness in a different way then I do.

    But even if he's not, it is a cosmic joke, and he's trying to free the mind from clinging on to any concept, anything...

    The free mind can see it like it is... this seeing like it is, is the one conciousness, but it really cannot be put into concepts or words... it is beyond them, beyond logic, beyond rationality, beyond the beyond.

    I really can't see where we are disagreeing, You are just trying to go beyond it all, are you not?
     
  8. darrellkitchen

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    Your opinion ... not mine !!! Besides, no matter what translation I read The Buddha's teaching from, he will always use "consciousness" in a different way than you do. And that is that Consciousness is a product of Volition. It is a result of the appearance, duration, and end of Volition. It is because of Volition that Consciousness exists. Once Volition ceases then Consciousness ceases ... no more Volition, no more Consciousness ...

    Then stop clinging to the cosmic joke concept ????? Stop clinging ... period ... that's it !!!

    There is no "one consciousness!"

    Then let go of the concept and the words ... let go of the logic ... let go of the rationality ...

    Open your eyes, or rather, clear away the dust ...

    Am I ???

    What is there to "go beyond" ???
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  9. darrellkitchen

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    Then the Venerable Ananda approached the Blessed One and asked him:
    Venerable Sir, it is said: Empty is the world, empty is the world ...
    In what way, Venerable Sir, is it, that this world is Empty ???

    It is, Ananda, because it is empty of a self & of what belongs to a self,
    that it is said, Empty is the world...

    And what is it, which is empty of any self and of what belongs to a self?

    The eye is empty of any self. All forms are empty of any self. Visual consciousness is empty of any self. Eye-contact is empty of any self. Whatever feeling arised caused by eye-contact, that too is empty of any self, and of what belongs to a self...

    The ear is empty of any self. All sounds are empty of any self. Auditory consciousness is empty of any self. Ear-contact is empty of any self. Whatever feeling arised caused by ear-contact, that too is empty of any self, and of what belongs to a self...

    The nose is empty of any self. All smells are empty of any self. Olfactory consciousness is empty of any self. Nose-contact is empty of any self. Whatever feeling arised caused by nose-contact, that too is empty of any self, and of what belongs to a self...

    The tongue is empty of any self. All flavours are empty of any self. Gustatory consciousness is empty of any self. Tongue-contact is empty of any self. Whatever feeling arised caused by tongue-contact, that too is empty of any self, and of what belongs to a self...

    The body is empty of any self. All touches are empty of any self. Tactile consciousness is empty of any self. Body-contact is empty of any self. Whatever feeling arised caused by body-contact, that too is empty of any self, and of what belongs to a self...

    The mind is empty of any self. All thoughts are empty of any self. Mental consciousness is empty of any self. Mental-contact is empty of self. Whatever feeling arised caused by all mental-contact, that too is empty of self, and of what belongs to a self...

    It is, Ananda, because all this is empty of any self & of what belongs to a self, that it is said: Empty is the world...

    The Grouped Sayings of the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya. Book IV
    Section 35: On The 6 Senses. Empty is the World
    : 85.

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  10. darrellkitchen

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    Mind precedes & initiates all phenomena,
    mind is their chief, mind is their maker...
    When one speaks or performs an action
    with a mind that is internally all pure,
    then happiness & pleasure follows,
    like a shadow that never departs...
    Dhammapada 1

    Difficult to detect and very subtle,
    mind can seize & take up any object,
    so let any wise being guard the mind,
    for a guarded mind brings happiness...
    Dhammapada 36

    Neither mother, nor father, nor any other
    family member can do greater good both
    for oneself and for others as well, than
    the well controlled & directed mind...
    Dhammapada 43

    What is Mind ?
    Mind is an ever repeating sequence of:
    Contact => Feeling => Perception =>
    Intention => Attention => New Contact =>

    New Feeling => New Perception => New
    Intention => New Attention => New
    Contact, etc. Stilling this cycle produces
    Peace & Bliss! This serene tranquillity is
    called Nibbāna!
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  11. GanjaPrince

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    Here is a story for your darrel,


    There were two buddhist monks and a yogi walking through this forest. They have all have map to get them through the forest of suffering. The maps lead nowhere.

    The yogi had a yogic map of oneness, one of the buddhist monks also agreed with this, even though his map was slightly different and based in Mahayana Buddhism. And the other monk's map was different filled with dualities and so on, he focused on a literal teaching of the historical buddha.

    The yogi says, "how will we get nowhere, you're map is filled with dualities! And it never mentioned the one conciousness, the oneness, the great self!"

    The monk with the dualistic map says, "Your opinion ... not mine !!! Besides, no matter what translation I read The Buddha's teaching from, he will always use "consciousness" in a different way than you do. And that is that Consciousness is a product of Volition. It is a result of the appearance, duration, and end of Volition. It is because of Volition that Consciousness exists. Once Volition ceases then Consciousness ceases ... no more Volition, no more Consciousness ..."

    The other monk laughs, "You misunderstood Buddha so much, we in the conciousness only school intepret the historical Buddha's map in line with our more advanced understanding... Besides you act like there is only one Buddha, the Buddha nature is in all."

    The yogi is like, "I couldn't agree more monk, we honor the Buddha in my yogic school. My map benifited greatly from his teachings."


    The argument continued for 1,000,000 years.


    Buddha came up, the historical one.

    All three feel at his feet.

    The monk who more revered the historical Buddha's teaching said, "Can you tell these idiots that my map is the best, and there maps are wrong... there is no one conciousness."

    The Buddha held up a flower.

    The monk got upset, "Stop it with your zen nonsense, this is no time for jokes... this is a serious issue... this is a serious thing!"

    The buddha gave a great belly laugh, he grabbed all three maps out of there hands and set them on fire.

    Buddha then said, "There is one conciousness I have realized sure, or call it nirvana, whatever you wish to call it but as you merge into this oneness... so deep that you realization the realization of all the realizations. all the concepts go, all the maps go... no clinging to any mental form. Sure I gave a map that is often percieved as going against the one conciousness concept, but I did it to blow minds, to destroy concepts, and because the map would work for some people. You don't have to call a cat a cat, to know it needs food, and feed it. So you don't have to call the one conciousness, one conciousness, to know it, experience it, and thus feed your longing, and attain total fulfillment which is the absence of all suffering.

    You have arrived NOW HERE. So you honor the maps that got you to this state, I understand.

    Let go off your maps my friends, that doesn't mean you still can't use them. Let go of them while you use them. Because there is still the depths of nowhere to cover, and maps are useful."

    The three maps appear back in the monks and yogis hands. The buddha then vanishes... the three looked at each other, astounded.

    The yogi said, "I guess we all had something to learn from the Buddha, we were so attached to our maps, we spent all this time arguing trying to get somewhere, when we could have been meditating getting nowhere much deeply then when trying to get somewhere."

    The three beings sit down quietly, focusing on one point.

    The End




    Here is how I feel at but you darrel...

    "Just having one those days yeah
    Didn't know what to do
    Then there was you

    And everything went from wrong to right
    And the stars came out and filled up the sky
    The music you were playing really blew my mind
    It was love at first sight

    'cause baby when I heard you
    For the first time I knew
    We were meant to be as one" - Kylie

    The music is the text of your messages in which is like music in the way you write even though I disagree.

    I want to kiss your bald head and draw a heart on it in lipstick that says, One love!

    Then give ya a big godfather part 11 kiss on the lips, and say, "Darrel you broke logic! It is no more! Logic has died, thank you."




    "Just having one those days yeah
    Didn't know what to do
    Then there was you

    And everything went from wrong to right
    And the stars came out and filled up the sky
    The music you were playing really blew my mind
    It was love at first sight

    'cause baby when I heard you
    For the first time I knew
    We were meant to be as one" - Kylie

    The music is the text of your messages in which is like music in the way you write even though I disagree.

    I want to kiss your bald head and draw a heart on it in lipstick that says, One love!

    Then give ya a big godfather part 11 kiss on the lips, and say, "Darrel you broke logic! It is no more! Logic has died, thank you."


    Buddha spoke out against scholarship unrelated to the good life. He carried out a great deal of study and met many great men. He listened to many discourses. he realized that true knowledge could not be got by these means. He realized that a pure unsullied consciousness confers the highest knowledge. True knowledge is derived from a pure inner consciousness (Antahkarana).

    [​IMG]Buddha's emphasis was entirely on purity in every aspect of daily life. Purity in vision, purity in thought, purity in speech and purity in action. He considered the spirit of sacrifice as the true yajna (religious rite). Sacrifice is the means for attaining Nirvana (freedom from the bondage of mundane existence). Buddha was totally opposed to anyone being forced to lead a worldly life against his will.

    Buddha, before he attained Nirvana, summoned his step-brother Ananda to his side to impart his last message. Ananda was the son of Gautami (Buddha's step mother). Placing his palm on the head of his younger brother, Buddha said: "My dear child! I came to the world to teach Truth. If anyone asks "Where is God?" the answer is "He is everywhere" Truth is God. Speak the Truth. Do not harm anyone. Recognize that the highest Dharma is non-violence (Ahimsa). This truth is proclaimed in the scriptures in the exhortation: "Speak the truth. Speak what is pleasing". Buddha told Ananda that this truth was learnt by him from his own experience.


    Lets merge baby! wohoo! in our realization! You are everywhere!

    Beyond words, beyond concepts, just be here now
    and get to where you are going within!
     
  12. darrellkitchen

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    Bhikkhus, leave whatever is not yours, give it up! Having left it, relinquished it and in every respect released it, that will lead to your lasting welfare, ease & happiness! And what is it, Bhikkhus, that is not yours?
    The eye is not yours... Forms are not yours...
    The ear is not yours... Sounds are not yours...
    The nose is not yours... Smells are not yours...
    The tongue is not yours... Tastes are not yours...
    The body is not yours... Touches are not yours...
    The mind is not yours... Mental States are not yours...

    When you have left it, given it up, relinquished it, & fully released it, that will indeed lead to your welfare, ease and happiness for a long, long time... Imagine, Bhikkhus, that people were to carry off any dry grass, & all sticks, twigs in this forest & burn it all !!! Would you then think: 'People are carrying us all off, and burning us all...' ??? No, Sir. Why not? Because that grass is neither our self, nor belonging to our self...!!!

    Exactly so too, Bhikkhus: The eye is not yours. Forms are not yours. The ear is not yours. Sounds are not yours. The nose is not yours. Smells are not yours. The tongue is not yours. Tastes are not yours. The body is not yours. Touches are not yours. The mind is not yours. Mental States are not yours. These are neither your self nor belonging to any other self!

    When you have left these, given them all up, released them, and relinquished them, that will indeed lead to your welfare, safety, ease & happiness for a long, long, long time...

    The Grouped Sayings of the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya. Book IV 129-30
    Section 35: On The 6 senses. Thread on Not Yours!: 139+40.



    All states - internal as external - are wholly empty of any stable & same "ego-self"...

    Their nature is to arise and cease... Neither can they ever be kept, nor ever owned...

    Glinging to what never can be kept, is pain... Relinquishing it all, is indeed happiness...

    Consciousness arises from Volition. Volition arises from Ignorance ... Things that arise, cease. Consciousness ceases when Volition ceases. Volition ceases when Ignorance ceases ...

    How can we all be one and of ultimate oneness when the one thing you speak of ceases to exist when its cause ceases to exist?

    Lighten up and let go of grasping and clinging to Consciousness and notions of a single consciousness.

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  13. darrellkitchen

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    This have I heard. At this time the Blessed One was living in the Natika Brick-House. Then while being secluded & all alone, the Blessed Buddha spoke this deep Dhamma:

    In dependence of the eye and forms, visual consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the ear and sounds, auditory consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the nose and odours, olfactory consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the tongue and flavours, gustatory consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the body and touches, tactile consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the mind and thoughts, mental consciousness arises...
    The meeting of these three phenomena (sense organ; sense object; sense consciousness), is Contact (phassa)...


    Conditioned by contact, feeling comes to be.
    Conditioned by feeling, craving arises.
    Conditioned by craving, clinging emerges.
    Conditioned by clinging, becoming appear.
    Conditioned by becoming, rebirth happens.
    Conditioned by birth, ageing & death arrive!

    Such is the cause of this conditioned origin of that whole accumulation of suffering...!!!

    In dependence of the eye and forms, visual consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the ear and sounds, auditory consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the nose and odours, olfactory consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the tongue and flavours, gustatory consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the body and touches, tactile consciousness arises...
    In dependence of the mind and thoughts, mental consciousness arises...
    The meeting of these three phenomena, is Contact (phassa)...


    Conditioned by contact feeling arises. But by the complete stilling, fading all away and ceasing of that very same craving, comes the instantaneous cessation of clinging!

    The ending of clinging ceases becoming.
    The ending of becoming ceases any rebirth.
    The ending of birth ceases ageing, decay, sickness, death, sorrow, pain & much panic!

    That is the cause of the conditioned ceasing of this entire massive bulk of suffering...!!!

    Now a certain Bhikkhu was then standing listening to the Blessed One. The Blessed One saw him standing there listening and said to him: Did you hear that Dhamma explanation, bhikkhu? Yes, Sir! Learn that Dhamma exposition, Bhikkhu, remember it, make it as if your own, and master it, since that Dhamma is advantageous & fundamental to all the Noble life.

    The Grouped Sayings by the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya. Book II 74-5
    The section on Causation 12. Thread on Natika: 45.




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  14. GanjaPrince

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    Let's go nowhere together friend! And play, leela... its a cosmic joke, not a serious matter... see how the cat gets it?


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    Stop thinking
    and talking

    and you will realize the one conciousness I think and speak of! (See how he holds up on finger, my guru Neem karoli Baba does that.

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    he teaches that it is one conciousness through this. once ram dass brought Baba a picture of a high lama and compared it to picture of Baba. Baba said, "Buddha... Buddha..."

    He always taught in the unity of religions, not the spiritual elitism of my path is better... He taught me to see the one conciousness and the truth of it in all relgions, bring them together and learn from them, because they all lead to the realization of it.

    You have your path, I have mine... we will come to the same place

    NOW HERE!

    The eternal moment.

    So we are just gonna have agree to disagree at this point.




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    And that mother lover darrel misunderstands the Buddha ha! whoops I was judging a seperate self that does not even exist...

    See how long I have to go. many of my posts implies a judgement of you. But how should I judge or compare a work in progress

    I am looking at Darrel in the here now in time and space, as i look deeper and see YOU, that which is beyond all time and space... it is perfect one pure conciousness... the illussion of maya in time and space which creates the form Darrel that is also the oneness, (no seperation) and what Darrels writes, is simply a work of oneness progress... Imagine a painter working on a beautiful masterpiece called Darrel... And I walk in right in the middle and say, "Well he obviously doesn' get buddha" Shame on me, the painter is not finished...

    Thus I stand by that there only the oneness, only the one conciousness that contains all and is all... Yet as I merge into this, we can agree


    There is something realized, something attained


    That goes beyond all concepts and words, can we not agree on this friend?
     
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    Seven mystic meet...

    A sufi, a catholic stigmaticist who plays with the animals, a buddhist that is into dualists teaching, a yogi into the one conciousness concept, a buddhist in the only conciousness school, a kabbalist and a shaman.

    Somebody walks in to listen.

    They all give thier trips about what they realized as the truth... To the somebody all these truths seem to disagree and sound different.

    One of the mystics says "Well Im glad we agree"

    Somebody says, "What do you mean your glad you all agree, no one you seem to agree on much of anything, even those that agree on unity or one conciousness that seems to the most common experience among mystics, have different trips about the unity!"

    A mystic says, "Yeah but it is not in our words."

    Another mystic holds up a rose.

    The buddhist mystic says, "Ahh, how buddha like of you!"

    The somebody starts to laugh, the somebody laughs so hard and for so long, that his ribs ache with pain, his mind melts in bliss and non-thought, opening his eyes he sees only shining lotuses! He is transformed into a nobody

    Going nowhere
    Doing nothing

    Just being


    beyond the beyond!

    Beyond even the concept of going beyond!

    And beyond the concept of going beyond the concept of going beyond the concept of going beyond!

    And beyond that!
     
  16. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    and another Buddhist movie in the making...

    Lama to help Kapur in making ‘The Buddha’

    Wednesday January 11 2006
    WASHINGTON: Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama is reportedly so impressed with movie-maker Shekhar Kapur's biopic about him, that he has extended help to the director in making the multi-million dollar film.

    The Buddhist religious head has asked his assistants to assist Kapur, who even met the Nobel laureate in 2004 to take his permission to turn his life story into a film and gather information as part of his research on the subject, in the making of "The Buddha", a 120 million dollar venture that will detail the life, times and teachings of the fountainhead of Buddhism, reports Contactmusic.

    Kapur is expected to pay tribute to the Dalai Lama by creating his movie double using computer generated images, rather than ask an actor to play him.
     
  17. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    And there was a place upon a rock in between the leaves, a tinkling stream, a leaping fish, a pleasant summer dream.
     
  18. darrellkitchen

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      1. The eye is a source of Suffering...
      2. Forms are a source of Suffering...
      3. The ear is a source of Suffering...
      4. Sounds are a source of Suffering...
      5. The nose is a source of Suffering...
      6. Scents are a source of Suffering...
      7. The tongue is a source of Suffering...
      8. Flavours are a source of Suffering...
      9. The body is a source of Suffering...
      10. Tangibles are a source of Suffering...
      11. The mind is a source of Suffering...
      12. Mental phenomena are a source of Suffering.
    Why so ?
    Because, whether they give rise to a pleasant, painful or a neutral experience, this will always change, fade away, be lost & vanish...!!!

    This change takes place even at the very moment of the experience!

    Sensing is the soil in which greed and craving takes root and grow... Like the chronic morphinist cannot understand nor accept, that to be clean, without using drugs, is better & more happy on long-term, even so can the habitual hedonist -- delighting in any sense pleasure -- neither understand nor accept, that renunciation & withdrawal from all sense experience, is far better and more blissful on the long term...

    Urging for sense pleasure, one gains only ever more frustration & pain! Seeing & knowing no other happiness, the hedonist runs headlong back to rebirth, ageing, decay, sickness, change, Death and Suffering Again...

    Again & again, life after life, again & again, universe after universe !!!

    Like a rat in a carrousel, blinded by ignorance and bound by craving, do beings, in this awful round of rebirth called Samsara, suffer repeatedly!
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    At Savatthi the Blessed Buddha said this:
    Bhikkhus, desire and lust for the ability* to see forms is an obstructing corruption of the mind...!!!
    Desire and lust for the ability to hear sounds;
    Desire and lust for the ability to smell smells;
    Desire and lust for the ability to taste flavours are also obstructing corruptions of the mind...!!!

    Bhikkhus, the desire and lust for the ability to speculation on
    mental objects is also an obstructing corruption of the mind...!!!

    When a bhikkhu has overcome and left all behind this obstructing
    mental corruption, his mind inclines towards inward withdrawal...
    A mind thus prepared by withdrawal becomes fit & open for to those
    higher mental states, that are to be realized by direct knowledge...

    The Grouped Sayings by the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya SN 27(1+2) III 232
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    * This can & should be freely exchanged, expanded & enhanced by:
    • Visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile & mental Consciousnesses;
    • Visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile & mental Contacts;
    • Feelings born of visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile & mental contacts;
    • Visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile and mental Perceptions;
    • Intention & Craving for visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile &
      mental objects, contacts, perceptions, and feelings ... !!!
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    At Savatthi the Blessed Buddha said this:
    Bhikkhus, when what exists, by clinging to what, by adhering to what, by insisting dogmatically on what, by misinterpreting what, does this 'personality belief', this 'same identity' view: 'I am this & that...' arise ?

    Venerable Sir, our teachings are rooted in the Buddha, who knows & sees!

    When there is form, Bhikkhus, by clinging to form, by attaching to form, this identity view: 'I am this form...' arises!

    Furthermore: When there is feeling, perception, mental construction & consciousness, by clinging to, by attaching to feeling, perception, mental construction & consciousness, this identity view: 'I am this & that mental phenomena...' arises & remains! (i.e., I am this One Consciousness.)

    Understanding this, Bhikkhus, a well instructed Noble Disciple experiences disgust towards form, disgust towards feeling, disgust towards perception, disgust towards mental construction, & disgust towards consciousness itself!

    Experiencing disgust, he becomes disillusioned! Through disillusion his mind is released. When it is released, one instantly knows: This mind is liberated, and one understands: Extinguished is birth, this Noble Life is all completed, done is what should be done, there is no state of being beyond this...

    The Grouped Sayings by the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya 22:55 III 185

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