Homosexuality.

because you think its immoral, it should be cured (if it could be cured that is?)

good thing we don't have a majority of laws based on morals - oh wait, we do and look how far that has gotten us.

 

Good one, Fitzy. You said it better than I could.

 

i'm sorry, usually on every issue i try to at least hear both sides like with the war and abortion but if you are against homosexuals or gay marriage than your just a big fat fuck head. i know its childish but its true. have we learned nothing from thousands of years of discrimanation. my friend got beat up for being gay and it pisses me off when some one says its an abomination. its fucking ridiculous thats what it is. what gives you the right to judge so high and mighty in your ivory tour? because a leveticus say its wrong so do u? all discrimanation in any form is wrong, and if u say i dont want any pain or any thing to come to them but i think its wrong, thats the kinda attitude that lets hate mongers get into power, and thats the kinda person who looks the other way when the group of people being discrimated against get fucked over and fucked up because there differnt. once again sorry for the childish name calling but this issue pisses me. cant we just let people be?

 

so if fitzy here had a chemical imbalance whch caused him to enjoy having anal sex with his dog would you think that is natural and fine? or if someone has a chemical imbalance which causes them be attracted the children, that isnt immoral or unnatural either right, also im not discriminating against anyone, did i say they should be treated unfairly or abused? did i say they are lower than anyone else? no i did not, you say " all discrimanation in any form is wrong" so giving eldery people a lower fare on the bus is wrong :-(

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Only if the dog liked it.

And only if the kids liked it.

Yes, you are discriminating by saying gay people are mentally ill.

Giving old people a low fare is not discrimination -- it's just damn nice.

 

i could care less if some one is gay, all i know is that anal sex is disgusting, insane, and quite possibly the essence of pure evil

 

A screw driver isn't a crowbar but we still use it to pry stuff open. Sex used for something other than reproduction (i.e. sex for pleasure) might be immoral for you, and you're aloud to your opinion/morals.

But then what is used solely for pleasure? TV? No, that's used for money making and media which promotes products ect. Reading? No that's used to gather useful information to survive.

But we entertain ourselves with TV, and authors for countless years write for the sole purpose of pleasure, because without pleasure humans would develop aforementioned mental diseases and then some.

So where do we draw the line for what is an allowed pleasurable act and an unacceptable one? In the end each individual has to decide, and thus everybody has different morals.

Of course since lots of people have the same morals, they make laws so as not to infringe on other peoples' liberty...but if two gay people want to have sex then that's their prerogative. Or three or four I mean hey different strokes for different folks....

 

I don't believe there is anything wrong with being gay. You're making your own assumptions using your own set of beliefs and sexual preference as the defining prototype of perfect human nature. Take yourself away from your beliefs, and realize from a neutral standpoint that the way they are is a natural part of theeiiir life and their reality, just as much as you liking women is natural to yours. All these morals and b.s. philisophical musings on homosexuality are just ignorance to differences.
You also say sex is the biological role of humans to reproduce and nothing more, but it has evolved with us as a species into so much more. Its an expression of passion and love beyond words. You don't share an experience like that with someone you love just to reproduce.
Another thing, some people who are gay hate themselves for it because of the social pressure to sheep themselves into the majority. The pain some people go through because they are different is heart wrenching, and ooonnnlllyyy because of the pressure put on by other people who share your type of gay immorality beliefs. Some try and force themselves to be straight, and live unhappily their entire life just so they aren't exiled from the set standard of living that humans, who really have no right to in the first place, have set.

 

Everybody should be free to be whatever they want to be aslong as they dont hurt other people.

 

so if your 14 year old daughter was having sex with a 25 year old man and they said they loved eachother that would be fine and cool right..., and giving old people a fare is discimination against everyone else who doesnt get that fare. do you even know what discimination is? how is is discimination to say that someone is mentally ill, i just said they should be helped, not that they should have any less rights than a "normal" person or that they should be treated in any other way

 

do not people with depression try to hide it as well? they fear going to a shrink because people would think they are crazy, just like how you cant force yourself not to be a schizo you cant force yourself not to be gay, you need outside help

 

The only problem that some people with inbalances have is trying to fit into society. Everyone is different, so there is no normal way to be. There is no God, we weren't created so we have no purpose and neither do our cocks. We can choose to use them however we want and no one has declared what is 'wrong' and 'right'. Yes they can fetilize a female.. but that doesn't mean they have been given to us for that purpose only.

Schizophrenic/depressed people are different just like every one of us is different. They have an extreme inbalance which doesn't mean they have a problem per-say BUT it may be a problem for them fitting into society. Schizophrenics are very paranoid and have problems determining the real world from thier imgination. This makes it hard for them to live a normal life so they take medicine to cope.

Gay people can fit into society perfectly well so why would they need help? Things are only classed as an illness when they have a negative effect on a persons life. We get hungry, is that an illness? no. We grow weird tumours on our fingers called nails but is that an illness? no. Some people are atracted to the same sex is that an illness? no.

 

Freedom of speech is needed.

Ofcourse you feel angry at what hes said but thats what happens when we live in a society with freedom of speech..

It's not discrimination if it's only words. Why should words that you don't believe to be true have any negative effect on you? Why are you angry?

 

please dont start the God debate, you cannot delcare anything based your limited sensory experience, your reality is not the absolute one. weather you believe in evolution or not, sexual organs have their purpose, they are made so that when you reproduce you experience pleasure. and someone people have a chemical imbalance which causes them to experience pleasure when they have sex with the same gender, this serves no purpose but pleasure. it all depends if you believe in religion or God, if you do not then go ahead and do anything you want, break any ethical or moral rules because you think there will be no consequence, and hey you may be right.

 

I agree completely. I didn't realise you were religious.

I think religion is very homophobic.. and if you read the bible and got those ideas then you interperet well.

I agree that if God created male and female for a purpose then ofcourse they would have a purpose.. i mean God knows everything right?

Like you said it all comes down to whether or not you believe in God and that what he says/creates is absolute.

I however don't believe in God.. but that's a whole different argument.
I believe like you said.. that we can do what we want because there is no consequence or moral rules.

 

this may be completely off topic
but I'm busy peeling potatoes at the same time and I was thinking:

when heterosexuals have sex, they may or may not reproduce
when homosexual activity goes on, this will not be result
we all know that,
but some people are saying that sex is only for reproduction
or that sex may be for pleasure and reproduction
or any other pro-heterorthodoxy ideals

what was on my mind because of all this was:
homosexual activity is purely pleasure
and the Bible (the greatest influence on western culture whether you like it or not) says this is a sin
BUT in heterosexuality, the penis reproduces and does other things
The clitoris is an organ designed ONLY for pleasure
if God or evolution or whatever has left womankind with an organ for orgasms only
why can't men have pleasure only sexual relations?

what I normally rant about is usually off topic
so ignore me if this is crap

but I have a good friend who is gay
and this does not affect our friendship at all
some people we know look at him as "my gay friend" and that hurts him
as he is not just an unwanted minority by some, but an excellent accesory for others

the whole thing has been blown well out of proportion and I think people should just concern themselves with themselves

I mean, as a straight man, if I was asked (and I never have been) to go to bed with another man
i don't think i could really get it up
i wouldn't feel in the moment
i wouldn't be turned on

whatever happened to freedom?
whatever happened to free love?
whatever happened to overthrowing fascism? Why have so many people on this site (in many forums) become so narrow-minded?

It's like, they're happy for everyone to take drugs and be high for a couple of hours
but when someone wants to get married to someone of the saeme gender
they're like "no no no it's immoral"

i think it's immoral to lead someone else's life for them
which is what this heterorthodoxy brainwashing biblical freakshow does when it causes young gay people to get confused to the point of suicide

if there is a hell
you're going to it
they're not

 

where in the world did you come up with that scenario? a dog? what chemical imbalances do you have that allow you to come up with that type of thought? anal sex feels good to many people - why should a gay person have to live by what you find moral or immoral?

were talking 2 humans here, don't stray from the topic at hand. you make yourself look foolish for even entertaining such thoughts.

a lower fare on a bus for elderly is not discrimination. is it discrimination for children under a certain age to get a free ride, or students to get discounts also? adults in this society work. they make money. students dont' work much at all compared to working adults. elderly are retired and you want them to pay full price to get around - when tons have trouble even paying medical bills and house payments what is wrong with you? seriously? are you really in your 30s?

 

I don't feel discriminated against when elderly are given discounts. It's most often that old people are forgotten about in this world, so when others give them a break, that makes me happy. Fitzy made some good points on this, and I'm not going to relist them.

I have every reason to be mad. It IS discrimination to wrongly accuse someone of being sick just because of their lifestyle, as long as that lifestyle does not hurt anyone.

You're not making very good arguments.

About my daughter and a 25 year-old man. You know, I'd have to observe that situation for a while. It really depends. No, it would not be "fine and cool". It would be a real issue with me. My daughter would have a good relationship enough with me to come to me about it and tell me her feelings on it. Generally I think a 14 year-old is too young anyway too be in a serious relationship or having sex, unless perhaps it's with someone her age. But if I liked the young man, and my daughter was mature and didn't feel like she was being used, well that is up to them. However, I would wish for the young man to wait until she was a bit older. But this is only my opinion. I really think I'd have raised my daughter to be a smart and mature young woman, smart enough to NOT get herself into the position above mentioned. In that scenario, why not raise her age to 16? That's a lot different, and I might be more likely to be okay with it.
But I generally believe that anything consensual should be allowed.

The situation is bogus anyway. My daughter would trust me enough to talk to me about having sex (especially with a grown man) before the relationship even got to that point.

 

I'm bisexual.

 

Oh shit, you've really thrown a spanner in the works now