Homosexuality = sin

To me, using the Bible to condemn people is a sin. Personally, I do not believe in taking the Bible literally, but I am still a gay Christian.

The books in the Bible were written during a time of different ideas and different agendas than today.

According to the Bible, judging people is a sin.

 

not a single word is mention about homosexuality in the old testament . and im not wasting my time discusing the second version of the bible.

 

True. The words "Homosexual" and "Sodomy" were both invented words added in the 18th Century. There were no words in Hebrew or Greek in Biblical times that meant "Homosexual" or "Sodomy".

In Biblical times, the laws and ideas were very different from that of today. The so-called anti-gay law in Leviticus was a part of what it known as the Holiness Code for the Jews. For them, one of their most important rules was "to be fruitful and multiple". They were also obsessed with purity as well. Both of these ideas shaped their culture and laws.

Since they considered Gentiles unclean, they tried to distance themselves from them as much as possible. Therefore, they created many of their laws to differentiate themselves from everyone else. These laws called the following things abominations: marrying a Gentile, farming the corners of a field, sowing a field with two types of seed, trimming your sideburns or beard, wearing clothing made from two types of fibers, coming in contact with a menstruating woman, sending a recently married man to war, coming in contact with a diseased person, disabled peoples, eating shellfish, eating pork, working on Sundays, and so on.

In addition, anything that seemed to be a waste of "seed" was outlawed because they believed that men had a limited amount of sperm (We know differently these days). Therefore, sex between men, masturbation, bestiality, prostitution, adultery, incest, and so forth were outlawed because to them it was a waste of "seed" and not focused on procreation. Since women didn't produce sperm, they never saw a need to outlaw lesbianism.

I’m not going to go into Sodomy because it would take a LONG time to discuss it.

Another interesting thing to note: In Biblical times, the general consensus was that if you had a disease or you were disabled, then you were that way because you sinned. In other words, it was your own fault. Therefore, if you had Leprosy, cancer, or a deadly fever or you were blind or deaf, it was your own fault and you must have sinned in order to have ended up like that.

 

No, but Exodus and Dueteronomy both prohbit "man laying with man"

 

That was another page added by a mortal man not GOD.

 

750-594 B.C Aristocratic Age

776 First Olympic Games
750 Greek colonies in Italy Music developed/Oriental influence on art
Stone architecture
Hesiod flourishes
Human figures - pottery main subject
683 Republican rule by aristocrats in Athens
650 Large free-standing sculpture evolves
600 Use of coined money Black attic style in pottery
Lyric poetry - Sappho and Alcëus flourish
580 Philosophy and science begin with Thales and Anaximander

 

478-445 B.C Rise of Athenean Empire

478 Athens leads in forming Delian League of Greek States
472 Aeschylus- The Persians
468 Sophocles introduces more than 2 actors
in tragic play/wins contest over íschylus
Aeschylus- 7 Against Thebes
462 Pericles brings democratic reforms to Athens
460 Hippocrates born
459 Rivalry between Athens and Sparta increases
456 Temple for Zeus at Olympia completed
455 Euripides' first tragedy
451 Athenean citizenship restricted/pay for jurors
448 Athenean empire firmly established Parthenon begun
446 Pindar's odes
445 30 years peace between Athens and Sparta declared
441 Sophocles' Antigone
437 The Propylëa-Acropolis gateway-begun

 

431-404 B.C Peloponnesian War

431 Peloponnesian war between Athens
and Sparta breaks out Euripides' Medea
429 Pericles dies
427 Sophocles' Oedipus Rex
424 Thucydides - Greek historian
423 Aristophanes' The Clouds
415 Euripides' Trojan Women
414 Aristophanes comedy - The Birds
413 Euripides' Electra
411 Aristophanes' Lysistrata
405 Aristophanes' The Frogs
404 Athens surrenders to Sparta

 

404-371 B.C Supremacy of Sparta

401 Sophocles Oedipus at Colonus
399 Socrates, tried and condemned, drinks
hemlock
385 Plato begins teaching at Athens
382 Sparta seizes citadel of Thebes
379 Sparta expelled from Thebes
378 Spartan-Thebean alliance
371 Sparta defeated by Thebes

 

359 B.C Philip II - Macedonian throne
343 Aristotle tutor to Alexander
338 Philip defeats Athens - supreme power in Greece
336 Philip assassinated/Alexander succeeds
335 Alexander razes Thebes - extends rule Aristotle founds school in Athens
331 Alexander smashes Persia
330 Alexander moves further into Asia Statues of Æschylus, Euripides, and
Sophocles erected in Theatre of Dionysus
in Athens
323 Alexander dies in Babylon; successors begin to carve up his empire

 

In Sparta Persia would find a military machine like no other, closed to the outside world, Sparta's people though they were the chosen super-race and with extreme laws and ideals they planned to stay that way.

At birth all babies were examined to check that they can form to the Spartan ideal, even prince Leonidas would have been tested.

(Victor Davis Hanson, California Sate Univercity) You failed a physical test that is you were born into a family and had an obvious glaring defect whether that was being lame or blind or deaf you would have been killed, exposed.

(Main speaker) Exposure was common across ancient Greece but Spartans took it to extreme.

(Paul Cartledge, University of Cambridge) Children were exposed not only because they were deformed but also because parents could not bring them up and the though was they would be picked up, they would be brought up. In Sparta they took the view that deformed infants (even ones showing some signs of weakness) were to be hurled down a kazum (cliff) not far from Sparta and literally killed.

In Sparta a healthy boy like Leonidas would have been allowed to live and so begin his life long duty to the state. At the age of 7 a boy would have been removed from his family and though the Spartan ways. Living together in barracks the boys learn comradeship and deprived of all conforts they were molded through extreme hardship.

A person from a very early age would have to learn how to hunt, would go barefooted, would have to learn to survive on its own in the wilds.

The were deliberately given not enough to eat and also they were encouraged to steal to augment their media rations and they were whipped if they were caught, not because stealing was a crime but because they were clumsy thief's.

And the eyes of Sparta were everyone weeding out the weak and lazy. When Leonidas would have hit puberty a Spartan mentor would have taken him under his wing.

(Paul Cartridge, U. of Cambridge) Spartan girls were given some sort of formal education and they had some sort of exercise, allegedly naked, in front of the boys. The aim being for them to be, when they married and they married late by Greek standards, educated, brought up in such ways to be able to survive the riges of childbirth. Ideally they gave birth to boys because Sparta was a fundamentally a military society so the whole system is geared to producing largest number physically fittest fighting males.

(Peter Green, U.of Texas) One of the things that always amazes me is that they ever manage to produce children because they were encouraged to go into sort of military homosexual relationships until they were allowed to marry.

(Anton Powel, University of Wales, Swansea) The Spartans may wel be fighting next to their boyfriends. Homosexuality was though to bind men to their peers. It was your job with your shield and your own spear to guard your lover , that was part of the cement that kept the Spartan battle line together. Homosexuality was very common in Sparta and it was positivly looked on - provided it didnt stop men breeding.

(Main Speaker) The Spartan population was perilously small so there were laws designed to spice up the sex lives of married couples.

(Anton Powel, University of Wales, Swansea) A Spartan man wasnt allowed to see his wife in daylight for the first ten years or so of their marriage. A man was encouraged to see his wife as a splendid sex object. Emotional development is something we did not want because families were a source of peculiarity. Spartans wanted to produce similars, they wanted them wheeling on a battlefield , one mind like a flook of birds.

(Main Speaker) At age 20, Leonidas would have joined Spartan ranks. His duty -- to fight for Sparta until he was sixty or dead. He would have be given Sparta's trademark, red cloak, the only uniform in Greece designed to hide blood -- whether that of his own of that of one of his victims. Leonidas would have also been required to grow his hair into long locks.

(Anton Powel, University of Wales, Swansea) Sparta's hair is meant to intimidate, it was long, it bristled, these were Spartan dreadlocks. They were for the enemy to dread. When someone looked at a Spartiate they were meant to draw a message about Spartan society. This man is terrifying. Look at the size of him, the length of his hair, blood red cover of his cloak, look at the rest of them there too. They are calling attention to themselves -- masters of the universe.

 

I'm just hoping that my post isn't overlooked. It was at the end of page 3 and was posted a short while before Alana's post.

 

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ive found a really good post on a blog about this issue. take a look:

http://cynicpad.wordpress.com/

 

I don't want to upstage the serious debate going on, just wanted to log my opinion on the subject. I think God (or whatever that may be for you) LOVES gays. They are the most free, flamboyant, and colorful people I've ever known and I personally think God or the Goddesses (whatever trips YOUR trigger) must think so too and laughs out loud with happiness at their antics!

 

Maybe it would be good to examine the original post in this thread, it clearly states what do YOU think about the question "is referring to the consumation of a gay love a sin'

please just give your a opinon on this, of course if a small amount of text will back up your opinon do you use it.
this thread is not asking for a history lesson about homosexuality or asking for book reviews, it is simply asking for your opinon
if I feel you are spamming this thread I will simply delete the posts
S

 

gosh, I hope my post was in order? I just hate being chastised.

 

I think it's relevant to mention the Bible, since that's where the whole concept of sin comes from in this case. But point taken. You could argue in circles for months (as indeed we have) over it and still never be certain. In answer to the question, I don't think the church is anymore judgemental for taking that position than it is for any other that it's taken.

 

Has anybody here ever read the book The Good Book by Peter Gomes?
He has an interesting take on MANY subjects of the Bible including homosexuality and if it's sinful! He gets into a common arugment that the way you interept the Bible is what you make think that it is homosexual. Don't qoute me because it's been awhile since I read this book, but he says that from the Bible's original context it didn't have a word for homosexuality instead Sodomity(sp?) And that Sodomity refers to any sexual perversion(i.e. being sexually involved with other intentions that concieving) I know this version of Sodmoity doesn't coincide with the Sodom and Gomorrah story that most Christians are familiar with but he has a real good argument about that too! I'm not as good as explaining these things as Gomes is but I highly recommend this book for everybody! It really makes you think...


p.s. I didn't read the entire contents of this thread so if this has already been talked about please disregard this post

 

I dont believe its a sin, because what is a sin, homosexuals do no harm to anyone. It does not make sense however. Any species is put on earth to pass its DNA generation to generation, homosexuals cannot do this by traditional means. So my answer, its not a sin, its a sickness.