Homosexuality = sin

*stands in silent awe of whichaxe's insightfulness*

 

I voted no.
Are christians critical of homosexuals? I would say "yes."
I wouldn't go so far as to say homophobic, I don't think the argument is out of irrational hatred or fear.


Bustramp

 

It seems im in the minority of Christian thinking on this but the 'Sin' issue has already been dealt with at the Cross.
Now,
The real question is not asking if something is a 'sin' or not anymore but whether or not you are doing good or bad.
If you are doing what is unnatural, not Gods purpose for you and engaging in bad behavior at the expense of good behavior...
well,
Stop it.

 

Yes....but what is gods purpose for each person varies...

 

OMG, I can't believe how many people voted no.

 

The real question is wether what you say is valid or just a personal opinion or belief. And the answer is the latter.

 

I voted no. I'm gay. But you know, fuck it.

 

I didnt offer you personal opinion or belief but even if I did, they may very well be valid.
Once again, you describe what was said then just assert something contrarian.
Again, try and offer a new thought, add a thought, identify where (in your opinion) there is a problem and then explain why.
Then offer an alternative.
Otherwise you are still a spam-artist.

But to answer the question, you have to decide if you are speaking from an 'what if' argument of course.
What if the Judeo-Christian God has indeed spoken through this Bible.
Ok,
Lets say thats the case.
Is it 'Judgemental'?
Well Duh.
'Sin' is 'judgement' by its very definition.

Is it Homophobic?
Well in our scenario then its impossible for God (the one in our example) to fear anything.
Even more impossible (if that were possible heh) to have an irrational fear.
In this presumption, in this same Bible, Fear is of the Devil.

I guess if you want to get conceptual you could maybe argue that God 'fears' his children will be hurt by Sin?
Even still, 'fear' would just be the wrong word.
He doesnt want it.
He hopes they dont or wouldnt.
But 'fear' just doesnt work.

 

Well, here are the biblical references to homosexuality look em up if ya like:

Leviticus 20:13
Leviticus 18:22
Deuteronomy 23:17
Romans 1:26,27
1 Corinthians 6:8-10
Colossians 3:5,6
1 Timothy 1:9,10

In Leviticus 20:13 it states that "If a man lie with mankind as he lies with a woman both have committed an abomination." Abomination means great hatred or loathing, disgust.

In Romans 1:26,27 it talks about receiving a recompense (payback) this seems to indicate sin.

Does God hate homosexuality? Is He homophobic or is His hatred rational? Is hatred ever rational or justified?
We don't' really know His reasons except in Genesis 1:27,28 it says" Male and female created He them. Be fruitful and multiply replenish the earth."

When the woman was caught in the act of adultery Jesus did not condemn her He said " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." He went on to say "Neither do I condemn thee go and sin no more." He urged repentance. But was He being judgemental when He called it a sin? In Matthew 8:15,16 Jesus says : I judge no man. and yet if I judge my judgement is true for I am not alone but I and the father are one."

So I'll let you the reader decide. Who can answer such questions? I think if Jesus were here today He wouldn't condemn but urge repentance.

 

I agree with you on both counts, I think you're right. I couldn't seem to resist this one though. I'm gonna catch it I know!

bustramp

 

Let's pretend we are out on the football field. We are playing a great game of football, when all of a sudden, someone comes running out on the field with a basketball. He starts trying to throw hoops while everyone else is playing football. ALL OF A SUDDEN, the referee comes running out on the field, hollering at the guy that he should get off the field, that what he is doing is not allowed in the game of football.

Does that mean the referee HATES the guy? Does that mean the referee is being judgemental towards the guy? Why not? Because the referee has a rule book he is following for the game of football. So the emphasis shifts from the referee to the rule book.

When religious people (Muslims and Jews, as well as Christians) complain that homosexuality is wrong or sinful, is it because they HATE us? Or because their "rule book" says so.

So the question should not be: Are they homophobic or judgemental? But rather: "Is the Bible, Torah and Koran CORRECT when it pictures us as "reprobates" calling for our execution by stones. The Bible MOST CERTAINLY does say that we are headed for hell. In fact, if you are just effeminate, according to the Bible, you are going to Hell.

If you believe in the Bible as being Holy and correct from the word "In" in the book of Genesis to the word "Amen" in the book of the Revelation, then you have no choice but to say homosexuality is a sin.

As a gay man, I am very thankful that I don't believe the above. I realize that I am a wonderful person (well, I could be) who did NOT choose my sexuality and I no more believe that I am going to burn in Hell for my sexual orientation than Jerry Falwell is.

But I can't expect people who TAKE THEIR RELIGION SERIOUSLY to just overlook what their Holy Book say.

 

No...but one can expect some compassion from those who call themselves christian...after all the word Christian means Christ Like....and Christ didnt go around bashing and hurting people just because they are different...he preached love and compassion. So , Yes , i expect to be treated fair by those who claim to follow the loving , kind , and gentle teachings !!!

 

And I will not allow people to come on here and flame and hate my friends in the name of religion !!

 

I was refreshed, impressed and agreeing with you all the way up to the end heh.
Well, you would definately have a point with the Koran where all under the house (system) of Islam would still get a death penalty for homosexual behavior.
For Jews, you would have to be an Israelite I suppose.

For Christians though, you have it all bang-on right in your analogies and your reasoning (credit due because most cant get as far as you have!)
However,
Having said that,
Christianity (Thanks to Jesus) turns everything on its own head. It relentlessly make a distinction between your 'natural man' and then the 'Christ living in you'.
Its practically mercilous in a campaign that drives the point home over and over that your 'worldly identity' will not and cannot measure up or pass.
Look at just a sample of what cannot inherit the Kingdom:

KJV: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, noreffeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.

But there is more meaning in that particular passage anyways. http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-9.htm
It is to the Church in Corinth.
In particular to prostitution and in this case refers to male prostitution being made 'part of' the Church and Christianity.
It helps to know that there were religious sects/cults in Corinth in which their temples had a type of 'priest' which was men who became like woman (feminises, transgendered, tranny whatever you say).
It was made as a sort of sacrement or 'ritual' for men to have sex with the 'shemale'.
So here St. Paul is driving the point that the Kingdom of God does not have such positions.
And you may very well enter the Kingdom of God anyways, but it certainly will not be 'as a male prostitute'.
No more than you will find such a thing in Gods Kingdom as 'The Church Gossiper/Slanderer'.
Thats not a position available.
You wont enter the Kingdom 'as a Slanderer'.

Speaking of Slander... I sure notice a lot of folks introducing terms like 'Islam and Christianity'.
Uh No.
Not only are they two different creatures but about as opposite as you can get.
Two completely different concepts going on there and never the twain shall meet.
Judaism and Islam... well its true that you could be stoned to death in either of those systems. :O

 

It seems to me that sex in itself is sin, the 'original sin' so to speak. According to the christian doctrine, Adam and Eve committed the first sin, and as a punishment, we are all born into sin.

If you believe it, it will screw up your life.

 

If you choose to believe it. To answer the poll I say yes it is homophobic and judgemental.

 

I voted no. Merely acknowledging what you believe some old collection of writings to assert shows no enmity.

However, placing unbalanced focus on the "wrongness" of homosexuality and antagonizing measures supporting homosexual rights is, I believe, evidence of homophobia. Obviously, many religious groups are guilty of this. Most notably, perhaps, is the "God Hates Fags" group, but other religious groups and leaders exhibit homophobia in more subtle ways. They write books and give presentations on why homosexuality will cause our society to collapse. They encourage legislation to hinder homosexuals.

Sure, the Christian Bible may say that homosexual intercourse is a sin, depending on what interpretation you choose to go by, but I don't think any version/interpretation puts much focus on condemning homosexuality. It seems to me the focus of the Bible is much more about love and treating others how you would like them to treat you. The supposed vilification of homosexuality by the Bible is just another example of people making subjective interpretations to suit their own needs.

 

Homosexuality is a sin as it contradicts the bible. However! However!, I don't think it right to condemn gay people. I myself am a gay and believe man was meant to sin. Never the less, even straight people can sin in sexual ways.

 

A sin is = if you dont flush the bible and other similar books down the toilet.

 

Besides you can Sin for 6 days go to church on sunday be forgiven and given another credit card to sin for the next 6 days then do it all over again.