Homosexuality = sin

No, no and no. How can be a gay love a sin? How can be any human love a sin?
I´m christian and think that God is very much compassionate that all that. Please, look the David and Jonathan´s story. Always has been an example of gay love. Excuse me if I have been sudden.

 

Sorry I did not read the whole thread cuz it's quite long...

But I wanted to say my opinion about the subject. Let's look at the idea from this point:

If there's one guy, who is a real Christian, a good man, goes every Sunday to the church, modest, helps other people, contributes to poor people or to any other good-intentioned organization (lol I don't mean a perfect guy, he'd still be a human!), and his only problem that sexually he's attracted to men, do you think God would treat him as a sinner? Don't you think his ethical deeds wouldn't pay him in return? Religion should be compassionate, full of forgiveness and good intentioned. It isn't for making life harder, vice versa, it's for making it easier! It's not a contry where you should follow the rules (You slept with a guy => go straight to hell).


Anyway, the gay marriage thing sounds odd to me... I don't think it's a good idea. If two gay guys love each other they can be a couple but not an official marriage! In my opinion, marriage now is a relegious phase which should occur only between males and females not otherwise!

(LOL English isn't my mother-tongue so I'd like to ask: what is the word which means that God treats a person well for his good deeds... like paying in return?)

 

What page is the story of David and Jonathan on? I would really like to read it?

 

read the old testament.

it is all bullshit...

the bible contradicts itself all over the place.

 

Not only that but the bible doesnt even condemn homosexuality, name any scripture passage, I will tell you how it isn't about homosexuality. Even the ones that directly MENTION being gay are actually mistranslations (the real meaning of the word was lost so some asshole just put down homosexual, in the past most of those scriptures have even been filled in with masturbation, whatever suits their need)

 

i'm pretty sure it states that homosexuality is a sin.

regardless, i could care less, i'm not christian.

 

All sin is sin, there are no levels of sin. There are levels of repercussions of sin, ie that murder is a sin the same as stealing, but murder has far worse repercussions. That being said, Jesus died (so we are told) for all our sins, not a select few, all our sins. God loved humanity, not those who followed Jesus. There are those Christians who argue that in Leviticus it says man shall not lay with man. They are very correct, however, if they are truly Christians, they will realise that Jesus died for the sin of homosexuality aswell every other sin, and if you believe in him you will be forgiven. "Christians" out there telling you that you are going to hell are missing the point of the Bible and of the miracle of Jesus death and rebirth. People claiming these things are more along the lines of Jewish as the follow many of the teaching of Leviticus and the Torah: all part of the Bible yes, but the coming of Jesus changed the meaning of these teaching for Christians. And yes, it is Judgemental to say that homosexualy is a sin. That is the entire point of sin, you are judged on them...Judgement Day and all that. There seem to be a lot of people out there who hide behind the Bible and use it as an excuse to act un-Christian. A little more love and a little less smiting might be a good thing, no?

 

yes i truly believe it is judgemental or homophobic.
because if someone says that theyre more than likely saying it to you in a negative way.
and it can most certainly be considered hateful-theyre pointing YOUR sins out when everyone sins the same.

 

me either but my family is, the only time homosexuality is REALLY mentioned and condemnedis in the leviticus passage which has been abandoned by almost EVERY religion yet they use that ONE single passage to hate on gays even though the whole rest of it has been denounced by the church. Its stupid. Leviticus tells you that if your a slave you should be obedient and also that you shouldnt eat any type of shellfish....its ridicilous, yet people still qoute it.

 

I think God forgives.

If I try view homosexuality in a religious way the only thing I can see is that God just gives tha chance to these few people to deal with a bigger test heterosexual dont need to deal with.

End of story

I wont necessailly see homosexuality as a sin or not a sin. The point in life is love, and having the right reasons behind an action.

Besides reaching God isnt about not doing sincs. Its about self-awareness and facing the weaknesses of the material world until we become independent from them. And that counts for heterosexuals as well. Its just that homosexuals have to deal with something else too.

I dont like calling homosexuals sinners unless they are doing sex for perverted, hideous, mutty sexual desires. But then again heterosexuals can be as sinful as homosexuals in the same way and they are.

Besides who is the sinless to throw the first rock??

 

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I really hate to get into religious discussions...but I think since God created man...and he loves us all, he loves the gay as well as the straight.

 

I dont get into religious discussions either.

 

Most homphobes are homosexuals who are afraid of being found out. Basically, they're Greenwing Macaws still in the birdcage. Fred Phelps is a good example of a Greenwing Macaw beating his wings on the cage door.

 

And let's not forget all of the hate-erosexual prohobitions in the Bible, such as sleeping with your mother or sister, or bestiality.

 

What the fuck kind of question is that?

Of course it is.

The only reason on could possibly ask such an inane question is because you think that your set of predetermined beliefs of what is moral and right are universal and apply to all.

"Is defining homosexual intercourse as a sin homophobic/judgemental?"

no shit.

i dare all people with beliefs to step out if their nightlight and admit that they can't possibly know what is going on.

 

I know I'm gonna regret this, but I'll just point this out.

The Bible wasn't written by God, or even by Jesus. It was written by regular, normal human beings, mostly men. Therefor, it isn't the word of God by any stretch of the imagination.

As has already been stated, Jesus left one edict for his followers: Love thy neighbor as you love thyself. Jesus was a Jew, but thought that Jewish laws were too strict. He was, in essence, the ultimate Hippie.

Then, out of the blue, a bunch of men decide that they're going to write a book that states how people should live, which is exactly what Jesus didn't want.

Bottom line: If you are a real Christian, you don't care what the bible condones or condemns, because the bible is the word of Man, not of God.

Of course, none of this applies to me, because I'm a Pagan, so don't take me too seriously. Also, I'm sure I missed alot of facts in there, but don't bother correcting me, because I really don't care about christian theology or history.

I just wanted to say all that because people are trying to condemn gays and bisexuals to hell based on some words in a book. I could write a book that says all straight people are going to hell, but that doesn't make it so.

 

A staunch Catholic once described the term "sin" as, "Taking an action in spite of the fact that you truly believe that action to be wrong."

From that standpoint, I don't think ANYONE has the right to judge or clarify another person's sin(s). True sins are the property of the sinner - no one else need apply. And fuck anybody who points out either through words or text that "This is what God says about your sin." If we truly knew what "God said" we'd probably not me in such a mess of a world today.