homeless people are people too

Well, will you go get a shower now and stop bothering us with sob stories and claiming you're a genius?

I'm sure you've been through hell and you're a smart girl but I doubt you're a "genius" and I wonder why you have to claim that... also, they called you a victim b/c you come onto a message board with a "woe is me attitude".

Get over it.

 

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What the hell man she was 16. What's intellegence got to do with it?
And I don't see the arrogance. I just think everybody here's got her on the defensive.
For what? Telling her story?

 

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thank you, naykidape. it seems very odd to me that i can be called a slut, and then mocked for bringing up my IQ. which i only did after a certain fool tried to pretend he was more intelligent than i was (because of his age). actually, this whole thread proves my point: homeless people are supposed to be voiceless. and if one dares to speak out (like i have done) we are told to "get over it'' and "stop making excuses." i am especially shocked that one of the women on this thread seemed to have no problem w/my being called a slut? very sad.

but thanks for being a gentleman. you have been a breath of fresh air during all of this. and i am grateful for that. you have a good heart. i'm not so sure i can say that about some of the other folks that responded. okay, i'm gonna take a very long shower now. and try to wash some of this filth off of me. i hope you have sweet dreams. you're a true sweetheart.

jenny

 

This thread has got me baffled. there are people in here who are usually pretty reasonable who seem to have gone completely apeshit all of a sudden.

Maybe I missed something but all I see is a 21 yr old woman who got handed a shitty deal as a young girl and managed to come through the street in one peice and with her self respect intact.

Anybody who's spent anytime on the street knows what a miracle that is.

As far as the accusations of self pity, self pity's the biggest trap in that world. People who fall into it don't get out.

 

do you really feel that people on here are being aggressive towards you because you are a homeless person?
S

 

Well thanks Jenny. I don't know what to say about what this thread turned into. Like I said I'm baffled by the way some of the people in here are acting.

Hope you decide to stick around anyway.

 

I think people have got defensive on both sides, then you know what its like on here people find it difficult to back down.
I also think it would be a postive move, if the people who have got annoyed by Jenny's post stated why without all the name calling, because i don't think its prejudice, I don't think the statements have been made because she homeless, they've simply got annoyed
S

 

I wonder Sam. It's a touchy subject for alot of people.

 

wanna talk about annoyed? i think calling someone a slut is about as annoying (and inappropriate) as it gets. and yes, there was prejudice here. because i am a woman. and i don't back down easily. add my homelessness to that, and several of these men thought they could get away with plenty of bullshit. and when i called them on it, i was called a self pitying slut. way intelligent response, huh? and even one of the few women that showed up on my thread, did not seem concerned at all by how i was being abused. it is sickening to me.

and no, i will not be back. but i am grateful for nakedape's sweet support. and how he was able to see the situation as it really is. this whole experience has made me trust men even less. and i know that sharing my homeless experience (and abortion) with others will more than likely only bring me even more abuse. so i truly pity those with so little compassion. and will focus more on helping other homeless people improve their lives, and to hell with the deluded middle class morons that think they will never become sick or poor or homeless. time will tell. and given the current political climate, some of my harshest critics might find themselves sleeping on a park bench in another year or two. such sad poetic justice.

it's been lots of fun,

jenny

 

Jenny...

Everyone has had their own tough times...yours doesn't take the cake by any means. I don't know why you need it to, but if you have gotten out and are getting a better life, good for you. Remember to leave your baggage behind, though...new friends will get tired of hearing about how rough your life was once upon a time pretty quick...

wise words.."never look back"

Be careful about giving yourself airs as well...I've never heard of a genius who had to brag about it... just those who wanted people to believe they were...especially on the internet when they are only words...

 

I think, perhaps wrongly, that she came in intending to go on the defensive with the assumption that some here were going to be judgemental of the homeless.

This from the initial post in the thread. From my perspective she came in deciding our notions about homelessness before anyone had a chance to sound off. This alone I find offensive.

I found this to be a pretty honest and straightforward respones which she failed (refused?) to acknowledge. However she didn't hesitate to entertain the slopping over lovefest that some folks responded with. If she possesses the incredible intellect that she wishes to impress upon us then surely she can have some constructive counterpoint. She chose only to see the responses she agreed with. It was this response that clinched it for me...this is where the one-upsmanship began- where she seemed intent on impressing how she has been through more than the rest of us and no one is qualified to hold a differing point unless they've been tested like she has. The tone of that was more than a little condescending and sanctimonious.

At that point there was little question that anonymousgurl21 came in with a bit of a chip on her shoulder. My experience with those who possess that mindset is they are not likely to listen to reason- anyone in any for of disagreement with them is considered "stupid". Very little of what this self-proclaimed genius posted would dispel that. Clearly her agenda was to impress upon all of us how much more she had been through than anyone else. If she was looking for a fight then I'll be more than happy to oblige.

I don't deny that she's been through alot and I'm truly sorry that her parents did such a shitty job and I DO have alot of respect for someone able and willing to pick themselves up from such circumstances- however they got there in the first place, but having done so doesn't license them to browbeat others who don't share their unquestioning compassion.

Perhaps questioning her intelligence was off the mark... more appropriately I should question her agenda. What was she aiming to accomplish with the post... open our eyes? Clearly she must presume a certain level of ignorance here. Being condescending to counterpoints isn't likely to open any eyes to her argument but WILL open eyes as to her attitude toward us. With the steel trap for a mind that she purports to have, hopefully this will sink in.

 

if she does come back on to read this post, I think you guys have been pretty honest- I hope she acknowledges that, or if not see's that it wasn't coming from a place of aggression on your parts.
maybe i am being patronising, but I just see a young vulnerable girl, that is desparate to be accepted, after years of being in a shitty situation.
subconscousily I think she thought that she would gain acceptance and compassion through telling her story and is hurt and baffled that she didn't get that.
and as for having a chip on her shoulder and coming in on the defnesive, with what she's been through I don't really blame her
S

 

I do understand where she's coming from and feel strongly that she has a worthwhile message. The problem as I see it is the attitude that other points of view were approached... when given in a low key and civil manner they were summarily ignored. When the rhetoric was jacked up a bit the offending posters were condescended to from a presumed genius.

Clearly someone was pretty full of herself... a clear victim of excess encouragement from the educational system that in a well intentioned but misguided attempt to encourage swells the heads of budding geniuses who become so full of themselves that they assume no other opinion can count besides their own. This inflexibility mirrors her own folks' reaction to her pregnancy- which presented an opportunity for the family to become closer through dealing with an adversity. Instead, mom and dad couldn't handle the moral conflict with their religious beliefs which they valued more than a relationship with their daughter and potential grandchild.

The thing is I do feel bad for anonymousgurl21- but the best thing anyone can do for her is to challenge her mindset and stimulate some independent thought- perhaps to open her mind. The last thing she needs is a bunch of yes men. Deep down I truly think she is a decent human with a worthwhile message. She needs to refine her way of dealing with other viewpoints because her current manner is going to close minds rather than open them..

 

just for the record, I realise yourstand point was from what you've said and not out of coldheartedness
S

 

nice guy. this quite hostile (and inappropriate) comment alone, is enough to make me dismiss you. yet i continued to respond to you. albeit defensively. when i should have totally ignored you at this point. my bad. and if my comments seemed too defensive for comfort: perhaps you shouldn't degrade women (even online) w/your vulgar language. do you honestly expect a woman to be civil to you, after telling her she is, "FUCKED IN THE HEAD."? and i'm the delusional one, huh? you really are something else, sir.

i was not gonna respond to this hostile thread anymore. but after my friend (whose computer he has been kind enough to let me use) read my original post (which was intended to be an example of how homeless people can turn their lives around. the personal can be general--and that's how i intended it), he told me that he felt i had stated my ideas quite fairly and honestly, and was just as disgusted as i was by many of the comments that followed the post.

i was called a whore. a slut. delusional, etc. and what baffled him the most, is how anybody could question why i would feel defensive?! so since a few of you are prepared to turn the knife, and continue to leave me your self-righteous comments (copying and pasting my words out of context) after i said i was done with this thread, i will be just as generous.

so it looks like i am not leaving after all. just because of one or two bad apples (there were actually several reasonable (and civil) men that offered me kind words, and even came to my defense. especially naykidape. now he is an example of a kind and intelligent man. and knows how to treat women with dignity. i am very grateful to him. he is a true sweetheart. one or two of you might fare much better online, if you followed his example.) so i choose to focus on his kindness, and will simply avoid the rest. you are a complete waste of my time and energy. so this will be my final comment for each of you that behaved so badly. then i will move on to better issues and things.

here are just a few examples of some of the insulting and degrading comments i received from a few of you. and you know who you are. one or two of you were even shameless enough to come back to this thread (after i said i was done with it), and do your best to come out smelling like roses, and make it seem like i had no reason to be so defensive. and that i merely have a chip on my shoulder? that certainly lets you off the hook, huh? sorry. since you stooped so low to cut and paste my words out of context, i will return the favor. and then this thread is done. sorry, but if you can't respect that, then it's your problem, not my own. and it will become glaringly obvious which shoulders really have the hugest chips on them.

here are only a few of the hateful comments one or two of you felt the need to leave on my thread for posterity:

"just like i said. victimology. obvious you want to get in a pissing contest. you think you're done growing because you've been through some hard times. you are still a child that has lots to learn. i don't care what you have been through. am i supposed to cry for you?"

--Quality

"jenny grow up and speak to me eye to eye or shut up and go away..."--Cooloner


"i have a reputation for intelligence here it would take her years to match..."--Cooloner

"Heh- I was kinda revelling in how a self-described genius got herself knocked up & failed to anticipate the fallout coming from her religious parents... and now wishes to impress us (try to) on how superior her intellect is...."--Stinkfoot

"anne frank can suck my fucking balls. you are an annoying whore."--Quality

"The damn irony of it all is, me and mine waited 5 years to have a kid. how long did your slutty ass wait? truth is, you have been repeatedly owned in this conversation that the only reason i'm still here is to expose the slut in you that you're to ashamed to admit."--Quality

"honestly wtf are you talking about!?!?!


YOU ARE FUCKED IN THE HEAD WOMAN!!!"--Cooloner


"you're insane..."--Cooloner

"i haven't said one offensive thing towards women or homeless people and you have continually beraded me cuz some dude called you a slut...

...you're clueless..."--Cooloner

"jenny you are being unreasonable and make no sense at all...


i have asked you twice to produce a derogatory statemnet of mine (i did not call you a slut) towards homeless people or women ( ) and all you do is keep repeating how awfull i am with nothing to back it up...you ARE dillusional my dear...and you keep making reference to a debate...WHAT DEBATE!?!?!

you have repeatedly ignored all attempts i have made at a civil conversation...so pull your head out of your ASS and smarten up!!!"--Cooloner

"I do understand where she's coming from and feel strongly that she has a worthwhile message. The problem as I see it is the attitude that other points of view were approached... when given in a low key and civil manner they were summarily ignored. When the rhetoric was jacked up a bit the offending posters were condescended to from a presumed genius."--Stinkfoot


given in a low key and civil manner? i think not. the comments i just quoted speak for themselves. and i think anyone (young, old, male, female, homeless, housed, formally educated, or streetwise-smart) would have been as offended and hurt as i was (especially after sharing my quite personal story). which is only one example: there are thousands of other young girls that are homeless now, and sadly, many of them won't survive to tell their stories. so i was trying to do that for them. to make my story their story. because many of them are so voiceless. and i am lucky enough to have a computer (plus a cool place like Hipforums) to speak for both myself and them.

i never expected things to become so heated and hateful. so did i write this post to gain pity from any of you? i think not. in fact, if you read my introduction entry (the first one i wrote--over in the "introduce yourself" section), i made it very clear i was not searching for pity, but compassion for all the homeless ones still out on the street.

i will simply leave it at this. i am rather touched by some of the more recent comments left for me today. i was genuinely touched by what Stinkfoot said, for example. and i can see that he really is an intelligent and thoughtful person. but that was hard to notice yesterday. especially since everything had become so heated, etc.

also, i would like to thank all of you that sent me very kind pm's, and told me you thought the homeless post was a worthy one, but that the comments sadly spoiled the true purpose: which was all about awareness. and sharing my story. so that other girls out there that are still living on the streets, can find out that there is hope for recovery. you CAN turn your lives around. there is much beauty in life. and the ugliness of the streets just makes it hard to see that sometimes. also, there are good people (men and women) in the world. so even though it may take awhile to learn to trust again, it will happen. but it is gonna take some time. and it differs for each person.

one last thing, i do regret some of the harsh things i said to a few of you (in response to the harsh things being said to me). and i do apologize for that. i am genuinely sorry. maybe there is something to learn from this heated post? that it's best to wait awhile (and let things calm down a bit) before dashing off bitter and hateful comments on someone's thread? and i am including myself in that. the whole thing just got way too heated. but it really is better to think before we speak. and some of us (myself included) did not always do that. and i regret that now. that is the lesson i have learned from this.

much peace and love to you all,

jenny

 

this is hilarious.

 

anonymousgirl21, I totally relate to what you're saying. The stereotypical view on the homeless amounts to "lazy bum, get a job". Maybe that's partly in jest, but I know of many people who dismiss them as exactly that. It amazes me the amount of ignorance about it, so it's nice to hear someone who came from that background taking a stand.

Also... please try to ignore the elitists. There are many more people here who are genuinely interested in what you have to say than those who are only trying to prove to themselves that they have the superior intellect.

 

You should change the title of this thread to "Warning...Do Not Read...Not Worth It." It sucks ass