Holocaust Revisionism

Happilyinlove,

I don't require your respect. And I really prefer not to argue with your emotional side, which so far, is all I've seen from you.

 

That's because you lack depth. You fail to interconnect emotion with reason.

 

Ah, so that's her purpose in this thread--become so belligerent that the thread must be locked.

I shall ignore her, then.

 

You have NEVER made a point...in all your rambling.

You don't even have a clear objective, you meander through it by asking people questions and then insulting them when they don't provide the answer you want to hear.

 

storch

How do you know that one person had contact with hundreds or thousands of bodies?


Shirt on. Shirt off (I think he is wearing a sweatshirt, actually). Gloves on.



Shirt off. Gloves off.



Maybe the drawings were an illustration / representation

How do else do you think they killed hundreds of thousands of people?

 

I had and have no intention of doing so. It was simply a friendly heads up.

Nothing more.

 

Other moderators have commented elsewhere that they agree and think the whole premise of this argument is disrespectful.

If it eventually gets closed, great I won't be sorry.

 

I knew I stayed out of this thread for a reason.

 

****Warning disturbing photographs.******

In actual photographs they do appear to be wearing protective gloves and using implements to handle bodies.

 

Odon,

Shirt on--shirt off. Doesn't matter. A shirt would not prevent poisoning from contact.

Some sources say one thousand to two thousand were gassed in a day. The point is that the gas would exude from the thousand bodies. That would be hazardous in itself. If the Sonderkommandos had, as claimed, lived for four months, and had handled just two bodies per day, that comes out to two-hundred and forty bodies. And then there's the issue of cutting their hair, taking the gold from their teeth, and then cleaning up the chamber, all of which I'm sure was not done with ice-picks.

 

Heat,

Were those prisoners killed by gas, or did they die from typhus? And if they had died by being gassed, the handlers we see in the photos are not wearing gas masks despite having come right from the chamber. I believe I've posted evidence concerning what would occur from unprotected contact.

EDIT: And in an interview, a surviving Sonderkommando never mentions any ill effects from so much contact with gassed bodies and the cleaning up of the gas chamber. That is not in line with what is known about cyanide.

 

Those are photos of the Sonderkommandos which according to the official statements only dealt with the gas chambers. They are shown using protective gear.

 

How do you think they pulled the teeth and cut the hair, and more to the point, actually get down and clean the chamber so thoroughly? You place a lot of faith in the protective capacity of a pair of gloves!

 

According to records they did not clean the chambers so thoroughly that claw marks and blood from previous occupants were not there also later verified with forensic testing and visual evidence.

Using pullers for teeth and scissors for hair would be hands off and if gloves were also worn then it is a possibility.

Edit to add: You make the assumption that the Sonderkommandos were anything more than labour to dispose of bodies. They were prisoners who were expendable.

 

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Ok, I'm still out of this thread, I just wanted to post this.

 

:rofl:

 

Prison warden says it takes at least several hours of powerful ventilation fans, and then, because of cyanide being readily absorbed by the body, a thorough hosing down of the criminal is necessary, and the workers must still wear full body protection including a gas mask.


So, when I hear from surviving Sonderkommandos who, in all their talk of their experience, never mention the ill effects of being in a chamber where a thousand people were just gassed, it raises doubts as the the truthfulness of the survivor.

 

That observation is using the combination that is used in modern time as we pretend to be humane about it. Further one of your sources did work for them and was discredited by them as an expert. EDIT TO ADD: sulfuric acid is now used as well as the cyanide to intensify the poisoning effect and shorten the death time.

We do not know with certainty that it was the combination used then.

That they lived after doing what they had to is enough. That anyone lived through the camps is enough.

 

My point was, that you dismissed the Dr's testimony because he didn't use a particular painting(s)/image(s)
Is that as much as it takes to refute the Dr's testimony?
I have no idea if those pictures Heat posted are of gas chamber victims or not.
I have read/heard of http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/b...derkommando-and-survivor-dies-at-88.html?_r=0
“When the job of cutting the hair and pulling out the gold teeth had been completed, two people came to take the bodies and to load them onto the hoist that sent them up to the ground floor of the building, and the crematorium ovens.”
“Life. Since then I’ve never had a normal life. Everything takes me back to the camp. Whatever I do, whatever I see, my mind keeps harking back to the same place. It’s as if the ‘work’ I was forced to do there had never really left my head. Nobody ever really gets out of the crematorium.”

I was going to delve a little deeper into cyanide, but I can't be bothered right now.

 

No, Odon, the head was shaved and the teeth were pulled after the gassing.

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In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.

In general, the men who filled out the ranks of the Sonderkommando led short lives. The Germans, not wanting their genocidal activities to become common knowledge, routinely murdered entire Sonderkommando units and refilled them with new prisoners. Venezia survived only due to the chaotic evacuation of Auschwitz in January 1945. He recalled that during the forced evacuation to Austria, SS troopers periodically wandered through the marching prisoners asking whether anyone had worked at Auschwitz in the Sonderkommando.

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While they were in this environment, breathing the air, were they disentangling bodies with ice-picks?