hippie clothing

lets hear it for karma dude!
peace
Delfynasa

 

haha yeah,
I dont approve of stealing, no matter how much of a multinational company you steal from. If you dont want to support those companies just buy your clothes aat a thrift store.

 

i know that's your opinion spacechive but could i ask why you dont approve of stealing?

 

because its not a fair trade. if we lived in a barter system you would be expected to trade something in kind, and you seem to look at stealing flippantly. its dishonest.

 

I don't agree with buying clothes made by children in poor countries who dont even make enough to buy the clothes that they just made, so i'm not gonna support the evil corporations that make institutions like sweat shops exist by buying their products. I don't steal any fair trade products or anything from local stores, just huge faceless corporations. I look at stealing as a way of protest. I don't support capitalism, so why should i support capitalist structures?

 

What about the person working at the store who is a single mother trying to provide for her child? Your decisions effect a person like that a lot more than they effect "the man". That is one of the most illogical comments I have ever read on this forum. lol I can stand a lot of types of people but I cannot stand thieves.

 

I'm sorry you cant stand me, or see it from my point of view. But it honestly does not effect the workers at all, what does hurt the workers is the bourgeois forcing them into wage slavery. I'm all for the working class, don't tell me i'm hurting them.

I'm not sure what was illogical about my comment... that i don't support capitalism, sweat shops or the upper class? Or that i feel stealing from "the man" is a form of protest?

 

I think it's illogical that you think you are fighting capitalism by stealing. I also think it's illogical that you are ok using the garments created by "sweat shops". If it bothers you, then avoid it. Making those children create more to give you free clothes is also illogical.

When there is too much theft in a store... a store will lose money and eventually go bankrupt at the store level... and then the store needs to close... it's the workers that lose their jobs... not the fat cats in the offices.

I hate corporate bullshit too, but stealing doesn't prove or help anything. There are ways to fight a battle.

There is a lot more power in supporting and paying for the products you want rather than stealing those that you don't.

 

I agree. Arcticfunky, you may sincerely think you're right but I think you are kidding yourself.

 

it`s funny abot clothing & hippies. bcuz alotta times i don`t necessarily wear "traditional" hippie clothes. i don`t very often wear leather. no, not just cuz of animal rights, etc.. since i`ve spent many years outdoors, leather doesn`t hold up well in wet weather. & it`s heavy. most of my clothes tend to be lightweight, this for hauling purposes. i`m really more of a hiker than hippie. sometimes, though, i find hippie clothes in dumpsters, thriftstores, gatherings, etc.. but often i travel through hippie-unfriendly territory, so i hide the hippie clothes deep.

 

for me comfort is the thing.t-shirts,sweat shirts,jeans,comfortable boots.i never buy new clothes.i know what you mean by hippie clothes but most of the people i've known wore whatever they happened to have.i am interested in fashions though.it's interesting how they change through the years.

 

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree i suppose. You say that shoplifting will eventually bring down a store. Now, in my years of shoplifting i have not shut down one store, but if my shoplifting actually did cause a store to lose enough money that they were forced to go bankrupt, i would be happy. It would suck completely for all the low level employees who would lose their job, but the bourgeois workers would take an even bigger hit i'm sure, thats an investment of theirs going down the drain.

When wal mart or some other big corporate store is planning on being built in an area, hundreds of people will sometimes petition, hold rallies, and protest in other ways to keep the store from going up . People in favor of direct action such as myself might use monkeywrenching as a means to keep the store from being built... but since the stores in my area are already built, and have been exploiting there workers, supporting unfair labor laws, and continously raising prices on clothes that costed no where near $20-$50 to make for years, I steal. I do this as a form of protest, not my only means of doing it, but one of my favorites. Whats the difference between people trying to stop a store from being built, and someone trying to stop it from continuing its reign of terror on the proletariat of the area.

and lastly, once my closet is filled with new clothes, i give my old ones away to either family, or charity... sooo in my mind what i'm doing isn't bad at all.

 

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You are not protesting. You are completing a selfish act that only benefits one person.. you!

You know what walmart does when clothes don't sell? They donate them! I worked at a woman's homeless shelter and you should see all the winter clothes they GIVE AWAY to help needy people. They would have less to donate if everyone "protested" the way you do.

I won't agree to disagree. I'm a very laid back person and I believe that as long as what you are doing is not hurting anyone else... then go for it. A thief is a thief is a thief. Stealing to feed your kid is ok. Stealing to fill your closet with what you called "sweat labour clothes" is just wrong.

But I've had my say.

 

You said shoplifting will eventually cause a store to shut down, i said that i believe that is a good thing. I'm anti-capitalist and anything that hurts the capitalist infrastructure is a good thing in my mind. Wal mart underpays its employees, shuts down stores when they unionize, crushes local businesses, provides inadequate health care, and supports globalization. A class action suit against wal mart was filed because appoximately 160,000 - 200,000 were forced to work off the clock, denied over time pay, and were not allowed sufficient breaks. They sound like the selfish ones to me daisymelan.

Maybe some wal marts donate their clothes, but my friend works at walmart and told me that when a package of clothes is returned ripped open, they are dscarded. Now i've never worked at a wal mart but i have at target, and returns like this happens all the time. So instead of donating hundreds of perfectly good socks, underwear and shirts to needy people, they are thrown away. what a waste! but the bourgeoisee who create these wasteful rules are billionaires, so who cares if they dont sell a hundred packages of clothes?

Capitalism is an evil thing, and anything done against it is positive. But daisymelan who are you to judge me, and who are you to say when stealing is right or wrong. I have no ill feelings toward you, but its sad that you believe you are in a position to judge other people and bring them down. but on a positive note you've inspired me to up my shopliftng game and start stealing not only for me, but to donate immediately to charity.

peace and love

 

Who is she to judge you? Well, who are you to judge the stores and their owners (and employees!) for being in business?

 

i'm not judging them personally, but as the bourgeoisie, the ruling class, the people who own the means of the production.

but i wasn't trying to offend anyone by saying that i shoplift. just telling people how i obtain my clothes.

 

stealing also causes prices to rise so we
poor people can't afford things....the fat
cats don't take the hit, they pass it along
to the consumers. And I worked at a restaraunt
where theft was a closing factor. It TOTALLY MAJORALLY
SUCKED!!

 

Indeed, by judging their business you cause damage on individual persons. But it all sounds good when you believe your fighting the ruling class right. That's what I ment with that you're kidding yourself. Focussing on your (perhaps good) motive doesn't make it a better cause. And if you judge a class, why are you wondering why people judge you? You should understand quite well why.