Hillary Clinton

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Karen_J, Oct 1, 2015.

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  1. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    I don't know about you but when I drink something awful, strong, or get a brain freeze, I usually react to it immediately after taking a swig. Not when I'm speaking in mid sentence.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well, that's on them, they're just proving that they are as mindless as the Trump supporters.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I don't know about you but I don't post ridiculous idiotic accusations of someone having a seizure based on a 2 second shot of them making a face.

    I could post several shots of Trump and claim he was having a seizure but I don't as that would be stupid on my part.
     
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  4. Meliai

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    Sounds a little like victim blaming doesnt it?

    Democratic party is proven to be corrupt from the very top and down, and yet it is the voters' fault for being disgusted with it?

    The political tides were changing before this anyways. There are more independent voters than there are democratic or republican voters. Both parties have found the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back this election cycle but it was coming either way.
     
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  5. 6-eyed shaman

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    It seems to me that the democrats really took their young-people-vote safety net for granted by stacking the deck against Bernie this year. I wonder what other reliable voter group they've taken for granted this year.
     
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  6. MeAgain

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    What sounds like victim blaming? The fact that some people blame a few bad apples in the Democratic party for Bernie loosing the nomination when he himself has said that number of things were responsible? A few people are willing to let Trump get elected because they didn't get the candidate they wanted? They sound like a bunch of spoiled cry babies to me.

    I didn't get what I want so the whole she bang can go up in smoke, life is so unfair, boo hoo.
    Time to grow up.

    You mean every single Democrat is corrupt? I'm a registered Democrat am I corrupt? How do you know that?

    Yeah, well we'll see what happens if those independents let Trump get elected.

    The world will be so much better with Trump rather than Hillary.
     
  7. Meliai

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    No i dont mean registered Democratic voters. I mean the DNC.

    This really doesnt have anything to do with sour grapes over Bernie Sanders.

    It has to do with a corrupt party using corrupt tactics to elect a candidate who is unpopular and potentially unelectable.

    You can continue on with your condescension if you like but it doesnt change the reality of the situation.
     
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  8. Asmodean

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    Im a bit suprised and disappointed that you really perceive it like that. Obviously not every progressive voter that, especially after the latest news of the proof that the party deliberately and dishonestly worked against Sanders, refuses to vote on Clinton merely to vote against Trump is a crybaby or mindless.
    Maybe these young(er) and independent voters are actually the ones looking at the long term.
     
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  9. Flagme15

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    It's almost like the sanders supporters were so involved in his campaign, they paid no attention to trump.
    Maybe trump should be elected. Then people will realize what they have done.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Oh, I thought you said the Democratic Party was corrupt from top to bottom. Now you're saying the Democratic National Committee, but then you switch back to a corrupt Democratic Party.

    Which one is it? If it's just the DNC, I agree they played some dirty tricks, if you are saying the entire Democratic Party, I don't agree.
    There is a huge difference here as all registered Democrats are members of the Democratic Party..
     
  11. MeAgain

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    Why would you be disappointed? I realize that politics has always been dirty...and will continue to be dirty for the foreseeable future. Nothing new here. The DNC had it's favorite candidate, think that hasn't happened before? Read some history books.

    So these younger people are pissed off because the politicians are playing politics. Big deal, I lived through the sixties when we thought we'd change all that overnight...doesn't happen. Remember the Revolution!?

    So now they won't vote for the one remaining candidate that can progress us toward a brighter future..however small a step it is.
    How long term do you think they're looking? I don't want want to wait four years for all the BS Trump will give us and then have to look for an "honest Democrat" or third party saint with no warts to clean up the Trump mess.

    I'll repeat, they're just going to shoot themselves in the foot with their holier than thou attitude.
     
  12. Meliai

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    I thought it was obvious I wasnt referring to regular Joe Democrat. However, if you are involved in the party (you in the general sense) and dont take issue with t he corruption of the party, I would venture to say there is something wrong there.

    And on a more personal, less general note I hope young voters hang on to their ideals better than you. Accepting corruption because it is politics as usual is the reason our country is in the shitter.
    I'm pretty disappointed your generation let it get this bad, and yet you blame my generation? Bs.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-dnc-documents-show-plans-to-reward-big-donors-with-federal-appointments/

    And here, in a nutshell, is the root of evil in politics. Wikileaks proves the DNC has offered political appointments in exchange for donations.

    And we are supposed to believe the Democratic party will fix our problems with the banking industry, with money in politics, with corporations (and donors) destroying the environment? Lol.
     
  13. Asmodean

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    I am disappointed that one of the most reasonable people on here (or so i thought ;)) resorts to calling people who vote third party (because they sincerely feel voting Trump OR Clinton does not suit them, especially long term) crybabies and as mindless as the average Trump supporter. You don't have to like their choice but to seriously put it as such is below you man. And slightly pathetic as well. Keep it real! :)
     
  14. Bud D

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    Politics is not for dreamers it's for doers. Sad but true!
     
  15. MeAgain

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    Well I'm glad I manged to piss everyone off.

    No, it wasn't obvious to me that you weren't talking about Joe Democrat when you stated that the entire Democratic Party was corrupt.

    Sorry my generation let you down, but I think we have a few battle scars.
    I'm not blaming your generation, I'm talking about those who allow themselves to be taken in by this blatant attempt to divide the Democratic Party, young and old.

    I find it extremely curious that all this is revealed just as the Democratic Convention kicks off. And what really amazes me is that many people think this is something new. I mean no one ever heard of getting political appointments for donations? Really?
    Here's another bombshell...politicians do favors for one another in exchange for votes! Or how about this one....you vote for my bill and I'll vote for yours!
    Shocking.

    I'm under no illusion that the Democratic Party is going to fix all my problems...I have no idea where you got that from, you seriously believe some politician is going to fix all of your problems!?

    I'll aware of how politics work. I'm not letting someone manipulate me into not voting for the best choice I have and I'm not naive enough to think that the perfect solution to how government and politics work is going to occur in my lifetime. I've been down that road. We all thought we'd change the world overnight back in the sixties, it takes years for meaningful change.

    Don't vote for Hillary, vote for Trump, third party, or don't vote at all....I really don't care I'll be dead in a few years, you have a way to go...enjoy.
     
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  16. MeAgain

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    Maybe I didn't make myself clear, if someone really believes a third party candidate is going to advance their agenda, then they should vote for one. But if the only reason they're voting third party is because of this Wikileak DNC thing, they are being extremely naive, in my opinion. Your opinions may vary.

    I believe that all political parties have an element of corruption, Democrat, Republican, or independent.
    So if certain people vote for an independent because they think the independent party that person is running under is completely pure....I don't buy that.
    Nothing is black and white.

    Darrell Castle (Constitution Party) will take the U.S out of NATO and the U.N. He's a Biblical fundamentalist and believes in Biblical law, he thinks gay rights is a Fascist plot and that a secret ruling elite took over the Western World at the end of WWII.

    Gary Johnson (Libertarian) would cut all Federal spending by 43%, he is against relief programs, the Recovery Act, tax relief, unemployment insurance, and Job Creation Acts. He wants to end corporate income taxes by reducing them to near zero and introduce a national consumption tax. He supports new coal and nuclear plants and feels the government has no part in renewable energy. He is for free trade with no governmental regulations, for private health care, against Medicare prescription plans, and wants to reduce Medicare and Medicare by 43%. He believes anyone should be allowed to own any gun of any size or type, which I guess would include 50 cal machine guns and bazookas....but enough on this clown.

    Chris Keniston (Veterans Party of america) wants to eliminate the 16th Amendment and replace it with a national consumption tax, he won't discuss global warming but states that all that is currently known about it is biased and must be thrown out so "real" science can take another look, thinks Planned Parenthood is engaged in criminal activities...and everything else is a mash of rhetoric with no solutions offered.

    Jill Stein (Green Party) I like Jill Stein but she doesn't have a chance.

    And I'm tired of all these third parties that don't stand a chance.
    So again, if anyone thinks any of these people will get elected and advance their goals for a better America...go for it.
    If you think the DNC is the only organization with problems......
     
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  17. AceK

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    Is there any choice really? What do we have? A dictatorship? Or what?
     
  18. Bud D

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    If Trump gets elected it could transform into something like a dictatorship. I doubt that much will be changed in the constitution for that to occur.

    There just are powerful people and powerful families. Americans hope to become those but I don't believe people are prepared for that.
     
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  19. 6-eyed shaman

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    I've been under the impression that she was always possessed by a demon. Maybe it was the demon trying to escape.
     
  20. newo

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    It all makes sense now! Bill Clinton is a demon!
     
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