Hillary Clinton

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Karen_J, Oct 1, 2015.

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well, that's funny as I listened to an hours long grilling of the FBI director and he emphatically stated that no laws were broken.
    What law are you referring to?

    http://youtu.be/v8ewCgdpnlc​
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So if you take this video step by step.
    Yes there was classified information on the server, but Comey stated that Clinton didn't know the information was classified, or at the minimum there is no way to prove that she did. Watch the entire hearing and he will make this point several times. He also tells us that in this case mens rea applies. That is the law. Mens rea means that there has to be intent.
    For example, you come upon a crime scene, walk about it, touch nothing, then exit and call the police. They interview you and ask if you disturbed any evidence. You reply no. Later they find a wade of chewing gum stuck to the bottom of your shoe that contains DNA relative to the case. They find that it is a fact that you did disturb the crime scene and in fact walked off with some important evidence. Can you be prosecuted? You didn't know that you had disturbed the scene, you were grossly negligent for having walked about, and you lied about taking evidence with you. But a reasonable prosecutor will say there was no mens rea. No intent to disturb evidence and no intent to not tell the truth.

    Did she supply all the emails? She ordered that all emails be supplied as directed. They weren't. All she can do is comply with the request, which she did. The fact that her lawyers did not supply all of the emails was unknown to her and in contradiction to her orders. Perhaps her lawyers can be held accountable, but not her. Mens rea.

    She used multiple devices. This was after the initial set up. The reason for the set up was for convenience so that multiple devices would not be needed. That was what she was asked. Why she set the system up. Later on she did use multiple devices such as a tablet, technology changes. Pulling answers out of their temporal setting and meaning gets us no where.

    There is no evidence that there were security breaches. Fact. Is it possible that there were? Sure. Anything is possible, so what? Is it possible that if she had used the government server it would have been breached? Sure, anything's possible.

    Were other accounts breached with whom Clinton communicated? Sure. There were also thousands of other persons in the government that communicated with those same accounts. So what? If you want to be fair, go after Clinton on this one and you must also go after every other of the thousands involved. Did she know these accounts were breached??? Mens rea.

    She complied with all requests and broke no existing laws.

    She was careless. Okay, we covered that. She was careless in respect to her knowledge of computer systems. So what?

    In 100 years only one case has ever been brought up in respect to circumstances of this investigation, and that involved espionage. Clinton has never been accused of espionage and I believe the case was dismissed, but I could be wrong on that.

    Others in these circumstances may face consequences. From a reprimand to a dismissal. But as Comey stated these consequences would only be job related. She could have been told not to do that again or her security classification altered, or something, so what? She's not in the State Department anymore. If you screw up at McDonalds and put the tomato on the bottom and the burger on top you can be reprimanded or dismissed, but once you leave McDonald's they can't retroactively do a thing to you.

    So you can post disjointed videos all you want. I urge everyone to view the entire hearing.
     
  3. Meliai

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    I think the point is - she isnt in the state department anymore but she is running for president.
     
  4. TheGhost

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    This all sounds a bit fishy to me. I didn't follow the whole thing very well because of all the political blah that surrounded it but it seems that she's either stupid or covering it up.

    She was the secretary of state and didn't know what info was classified? And she wants to be commander in chief? I sure hope she's got some good advisors.

    Her lawyers didn't supply the emails as instructed? For what fucking reason?
     
  5. Chigurh

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    She broke the law, period. Comey admitted this, but gave the excuse of intent as reason not to prosecute: She didn't know she was breaking the law herp derp. The server was illegal, and the information contained therein IS ILLEGAL! Do you understand words?
     
  6. Meliai

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    Exactly, she is either stupid or sneaky.

    And i dont think she is stupid.

    And i dont think we can separate Hillary from the actions of her lawyers. She is paying them to work for her.
     
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  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It's a bitch when you really hate someone and you'd like to see them crucified but the law is on their side...isn't it?

    As to the server:

    As to the FOIA:
    NARA
    TITLE 18:


    Note the server was legal...... end of story.

    So rant all you want facts are facts.
    I didn't include the sources for the above because obviously no one will check and no one wants to hear the facts and they deny them once presented anyway.

    Anybody watch the entire hearing by the way?????
     
  8. Chigurh

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    Crucified no, punished yes. I don't care who in government has done it, still does it or will do it in the future. If you break the law, you should be punished.

    Fact: Classified information, not retroactive, was found on her private server. She broke the law and is not being punished because of who she is, you can deny this all day long, I don't care.
     
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  9. Bud D

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    Exactly what law was violated?

    Government employees lose lab tops with data on it all the time. Things happen. And if your a real stickler for the law maybe you don't fit in on this site so Well?
     
  10. Chigurh

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    I fit in just fine, slick.
     
  11. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    Hillary Clinton doesn't like people like me. How can I vote for someone like that?

    On another note: I already voted (I did my duty as a good American citizen), I don't know if there's much of a point in voting in the general; a bit too late at this point.

    I voted for Bernie Sanders in case anyone cares.
     
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  12. Bud D

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    I voted for Bernie too. But let's face the music, no political person is going to public acknowledge liking us.
     
  13. AceK

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    She has other things to dislike me for.
     
  14. Moonglow181

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    Like what?
     
  15. Bud D

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    Did you hack her email?

    LMAO!
     
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  16. AceK

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    someone should make a meme about that LOL

    "Doesn't like encryption and computer security"
    "Get's caught by the FBI"

    dank memes :D

    seriously though ... if the FBI found out, other governments could too i'd think. Or some hacker that cared enough. Oh well.
     
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  17. Moonglow181

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    Well, you see, some people are aware of hackers in their emails, and might be saying things for that purpose alone to sit back and watch results.... :D

    so....hacking is self defeating sometimes.....:p

    Always gotta be one step ahead.
     
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    ya know whats really going to suck.. On Friday, January 20, 2017, Shes going to sworn is as President of Fuck US All.


    Roseanne Barr once said . We are so far beyond screwed that the light from screwed will take one billion years to reach the earth...
     
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    I love that saying! I need to write it down somewhere.
     
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  20. Asmodean

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    Happily for us though the president of Fuck US all is not president of earth (or as PR would perhaps say: not yet anyway :p)
     
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