Hillary Clinton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufkHt8dgG8I

She is a smart one.

 

Blaming Nader for Gore's loss is just ridiculous. Just like blaming Jill for Hillary's loss is ridiculous. I am voting Green and never had any intention of voting for Hillary. You can't just say votes for Green are potential votes for Democrats. And especially this year, because, as Hillary Clinton is no Al Gore. I think you believe too much in your sugarcoated version of Hillary Clinton, that we all think she's anywhere near as progressive as Jill Stein, when the fact is that Hillary is just another neo-con in sheep's clothing. If it weren't for Bernie there wouldn't have been one progressive stance in her entire platform.

 

John Barron

 

Showed a dick pic? Your political career is toast.
Got caught helping rig an election. No worries.

Wasserface Shultz won her primary today.

 

What do you think about the prospect of a Trump presidency? And do you live in a battleground state? If you're fine with the Donald and/or live in a state that is solid one way or another, no worries. I live in a solidly Red state. My only reason for standing in the voting line in November would be to cast a symbolic vote (but I'll do it anyhow, cuz who knows?). But if you live in a state that's close, and you vote for Stein, and Trump carries your state, you'll have helped to elect him. BTW, my view of Hillary is close to yours, but my view of the Donald is apparently much worse. I think he's the most dangerous person to come within reach of the Presidency in the history of our country--a true neo-fascist, and an ignorant one at that. Jill stands no realistic chance.

 

Trump won't win. I live in a solidly red state and yet Hillary and Trump are polling at 39% each. (which also means third parties are polling fairly well!)

I never thought I would see the day where a Democrat, and one of the most disliked Democrats at that, stood a fair chance of winning my state.

Anyways, I don't think Trump is all that dangerous for that reason. He would be dangerous if the majority of people actually liked him and didn't think he was a joke

 

Trump isn't that dangerous. He faces way too much just resistance in congress, who will block most of what he will attempt. Hillary will make congress her bitch, and pass a series of tyrannical legistlation that will plague the world for eons.

 

Why would Trump but not Hillary face all that opposition in Congress? We don't know what the future composition of Congress will be, but right now both houses are controlled by Republicans and its unlikely they'd lose control of the House. If Trump became President , any reservations Republicans in Congress have about him would quickly dissipate. It would be "Yes, Mr. Trump". And what has he proposed? His stance on immigration seems to be in flux, but he built his primary success on building the wall and mass deportation of illegals. We'll find out this evening when he gives his big immigration speech whether or not that still holds. Whether or not we've shifted to "baby steps" remains to be seen, but he's been alternating between "softening" and "hardening" so often somebody should give the guy some Viagra. At best, we can't take him at his word, and at worst his program has the potential of creating a police state. He's expressed admiration for dictators like Saddam and Putin, justified Putin's policies in Crimea and the Ukraine, called for the weakening of NATO, and asked Russian hackers to come up with Hillary's emails. He's advocated torture and killing of families of terrorists, surveillance of Muslims and their mosques, and a religious test for immigration. Exploiting people's fears of "the other" has been his modus operandi, and his fanning the flames of Nativism and white nationalism has the aroma of neo-fascism. His solutions to every problem are short on details and long on the Führer principle--trust me, I'll make America great again!

And Hillary? What exactly makes you think she could do more than Obama or her husband to "pass a series of tyrannical legislation"? Or do you think they did that? What, in your estimation, would that "tyrannical legislation" look like? Since before her husband took office, Hillary has been subjected to a systematic right wing campaign of vilification going far beyond any facts. I think she and Bill are both slick and have made a lot of money since leaving office, raising suspicions of influence peddling and yes she was sloppy about the emails. But tyranny? Or do you believe those stories about Vince Foster and the rest of the alleged murders? When Bill left office we had a budget surplus and general prosperity--something G.W. got rid of quickly. I didn't notice any tyranny.

 

No, I won't have helped to elect him. I never had any intention of voting for Hillary. If Stein wasn't in the race, I wouldn't vote for anyone. I would never vote for either Hillary or Trump.

 

Hillary is looking like such an ass clown right now. Her biggest contribution to societal ills is through tired ass tweets about how racist Trump, the altR and conservatives are in general. LOL she still thinks the internet is tubes and such, and that people can't read past the headlines. What a fucking joke for the human race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBpLs21AzXQ

 

We sort of have a 3rd party candidate if you drill it down.

I admit it, I voted for Perot. I was sick of business as usual as was a lot of the country after Reaganomics and Bush 1. While Perot spoiled Bush 1's chance at a second term, he also gave us Clinton. I despised Clinton because he played young Americans for their votes by being cool. Playing his Sax on Arsenio Hall and admitting to marijuana use, though he didn't inhale, a line crafted to con old people into voting for him. It didn't fool everyone, especially younger voters, but they figured he HAD to say it to get in. So he got a pass.

But once in office his administration ramped up marijuana-related arrests to a record 3/4 million a year for simple possession on up. A generation of young Americans were fucked out of jobs, scholarships and a future they thought was within reach. Perot was right about NAFTA sucking American jobs away, but Clinton signed it anyway. Since then, the idea of a 3rd party has carried a stigma as being only a means of drawing votes from a particular party/candidate, not to actually win.

Trump is an example of a 3rd party candidate who found a formula for potential success. He was a democrat before he was a republican, but as a fat greedy businessman, party affiliation was just a way to pander his way through red tape. When he ran as a republican I was kind of surprised. At best he's a centrist, but he is not the typical republican. No bible thumping, a record of womanizing that Clinton would envy, slimy casino connections and odd relationships with unions.

It was a pleasure watching him mill down so many RINO assholes on stage in front of God and everyone. And he didn't really have to try, they handed it to him for the most part. He was right about "Lying Ted" and "Little Marco". I figure he posed as a republican because he knew they'd be easy to beat. All he had to do was expose their lies. And there were SO many lies. Like that stupid "Loyalty Oath" he was reluctant to agree to. After he sacked them down it was they, not he, who welched on the deal. Further cementing his position.

Now he has to go after the Clintons. I liked Bernie, I admit it. But it seems now he was a paid shill the whole time. I wondered when he let those two BLM women take his stage if he really had the fortitude to be president. Watching him sit and take it was disappointing. When he finally caved Trump was all that was left between Americans and the elite establishment slow roll. It's a hold your nose vote to be sure.

I know he wears the "scarlet" R, but he's definitely NOT your "typical republican". Seeing the rest of the GOP turn on him like vipers exposes that. The country needs change and Obama didn't deliver which surprised me. He had it all till the first mid-terms and democrats STILL played games with him. After all, Obama was not part of the usual establishment Washington country club crew either. Though he is certainly a democrat.

 

I don't think so. More than half the GOP can't stand him, including Mitch McConnel and Paul Ryan. They had to drag their feet a long way before they could voice a Trump endorsement without aspirating. Just because he's a republican that doesn't mean the rest of congress will nod their heads at every stroke of the pen. Many of Jeb's and W's old staff have already voiced their support of Hillary. All of whom are republicans, which is very telling.

I don't agree with his immigration policies all that much. Especially the temporary ban on muslims. It's better than the Angela Merkel approach at the very least by letting in droves of unvetted refugees which is changing the cultural dynamics of many European cities villages for the worst. But it's still wrong in different ways. Regarding Saddam, he was an asshole but Iraq but all Trump said that was good about him was that Iraq had no terrorist training camps back then like they do today, do they not?

Why do we still need NATO? It's an imperialistic fossil from the Cold War and no longer necessary.

LOL you don't actually believe the Kremlin was responsible for leaking Hillary's e-mails do you? You do realize Hillary's list of enemies and opponents span much further than Donald Trump alone, right? Hillary and her supporters are batshit insane to think the interment memes and trolls of the alt-right is funded and supported by Putin, a former communist and KGB official of the Soviet Union. I don't even like Trump that much, yet I TOO would have hacked her e-mails to expose the DNC's corruption and rigging the election of Bernie Sanders if I knew how to do it and get away with it. And i'd have done it all for free.

Patriot Act
National Defense Authorization Act
Droning of innocent lives home and abroad
But I guess those little things are OK as long as a democrat does it, huh?

Also it doesn't seem to matter much to Hillary's supporters that she is a sociopathic liar, a crook, an establishment insider, a business-as-usual polictican who'll maintain the status quo, an interventionist, and a criminal. Her supporters, congress, and the DNC seem to realize this, but they don't care. She doesn't even have to hold a press conference because she knows that the media and her clueless supporters will vote for her anyway. The media will cover up her failing health conditions, and get Dr. Drew's show on HLN canceled for questioning her health. Shit, she has so much blind support behind her, she could literally stab a puppy on stage and that won't change anybody's mind. That's why I believe Trump has lots more standing in his way as president than Hillary would.

Indeed I do. In fact I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she and her cronies made life threatening death threats toward Joe Biden to disuade him from launching a presidential campaign despite it being the final request of his dying son. Or even Bernie Sanders to get him to do a 180 and endorse her so easily at the convention after she and the DNC blatantly cheated him out of an honest election. I don't buy the partisan narrative that they "must support the party's nominee" BS; Ted Cruz refused to endorse Trump at the GOP convention speech.

 

I do understand it very well.... because... I have a crush on her either.

 

Her name is actually "Hum A Weiner" if you look at it! That poor poor girl.

 

She is going to be running our nation, along with Bill & Sid Blumenthal

 

thanks, didn't know.

 

What about claims being made recently by Wikileaks that Bernie Sanders was threatened by the Clintons to drop out of the race?

I can believe that.