Here we go 2c-e Death :(

They ran the LA marathon this weekend. In a cold pounding rainstorm. And apparently "thousands" needed medical attention and 25 were hospitalized.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spo...thon-thousands-evaluated-for-hypothermia.html

Looks like it's time to ban marathons, and prosecute the organizers of this terrible form of recreation.

 

Ive been trying to get marathons banned for awhile now. Even besides these extreme cases there are Terrible side effects: increased heart rate, shortness of breath, fatigue, dehydration and muscle soreness lasting well after the experience.

 

laffin my arse off... right? Sounds like the side effects of one of those drugs advertised on tv. A list of symptoms worse than your original problem.

And its just propaganda that running makes you 'healthy' and 'fit'. The truth will come out...

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/bl...comes-heaviest-man-to-ever-finis?urn=oly-wp14

400lb? How can that be healthy.

 

I guess its back to the....

 

The ignorance of Amy Kloubachar is clear as she plans to also introduce legislation that will ban all chemicals to make 2ce. This isn't meth Amy. Another thing that I find troubling in the news is the continuously repeated claim that 2CE has effects similar to ectasty. No! It is very different. Also reported is that 2CE is illegal because it is similar enough to other controlled substances to be illegal. This is false and it is an insult to civil liberty, due process, and division of power to give police (or the dea) the authority to declare what is an illicit analog. How Lamere is being charged with murder is beyond me. For this to hold then everytime anyone supplied anyone with any chemical that caused a death the supplier would be a murderer. This is not the case. Why does the government not understand that the individual, who decides with their own free will to take a substance, is responsibile for the effects that occur to themselves? The government is in denial of the fact that people will always seek to alter conciousness and that banning a substance will not remove that general behavior. They are also in denial that such behavior is not necessarily harmful when done with care. They are also in denial that the polarization of drugs as medically necessary or worthless is harmful because it forbids the insurance of measures that could be taken to make such drugs many magnitudes safer.

 

^ You need to read the Specifics of the Analogue Act and considering that the majority of people don't spend their time reading pikhal or experimenting with 2cx drugs, the comparison of 2ce being similar to LSD and Ecstasy is fairly accurate, especially since many Ecstasy pills often are cut with various chems that make people hallucinate.

Although I agree about what you are saying about the guy being charged with murder.

 

But doesn't the analog act depend on it's intended human consumption? I guess if they got the guy to say he sold it TO be consumed....

That IS what makes all the 2c's legal, right? chemical similarity or similar effects ban substances, IF you're going to take them?

Also, am I right that most RC's would totally shrivel and kill a bonsai? We need a legit purpose for them, besides ingesting, that ONLY they can do, and that they do undeinably well

 

I bet I know the place that gave these kids the unbridled access to their source. Hmm?

 

Or they found it somewhere even more public and advertised :2thumbsup:.

 

I imagine that's the main point that they will be trying to defend in court. They bought or were given it from the guy, so if he sold it to them all capped up or something I wish them luck trying to defend that. Also if he did not provide paper work to the person he sold it to like some of the vendors do that may be another point that's hard to defend, that is certainly an ambiguous point though.

I think 2ce easily meets the criteria of a 2cb analog in every other point in this case, not that I think an analog act is necessarily a great way to go about determining a substances legal status but it is the current law.

 

While I agree with alot of what you said, and the following comments, I have trouble with one part. While practically no one knows EXACTLY what went down in this case, there has been way too many cases where someone gave/sold someone something they knew was harmful, deadly, or misrepresenting the substance. There's been talk of this case being mpdv, or that he 'thought' it was 2c-i but it was actually 2c-e. Regardless, it was reckless behaviour and if it WAS a 2c, to be snorting lines, and telling everyone thats ok, is reprehensible. And he should be held accountable.

Aside from that, all this banning of stuff... typical govt response and its not apt to end anytime soon. This is not the free country its advertised to be. It makes it hard for libertarians.

 

Misrepresenting the substance or making claims that it is safe to snort should be punishable but I can't see it being murder unless he forced the consumption.

 

I've read the analogue act and it is ultimately subjective in many circumstances. My point is that we cant have the same people that enforce the laws making up the laws. (Although leaving drug law up to unqualified congress members is not very satisfactory either.) 2cx drugs are very different than ecstacy especially in higher doses. There may be a few effects in common with ecstacy or hallucinogens but the overall experience is different. I understand that the media is trying to relate it to something that the general public is familiar with but they are so far off that they would be better off making no comparison.

 

Is LSD not a fair comparison? Which is the first comparison made. Ecstasy and 2ce are both cause CNS stimulation, they are both Phenethylamines, both cause heightened tactile sensations, increased emotions, euphoria, visual alteration.

Its definitely good to make a comparison to get an idea that they know what they are talking about so were not debating if it was 2ce, bath salts, or synthetic cannibinoids. You seem all rail against the media here but if they just said a kid od on a legal drug causing hallucinations, increased heart rate etc without comparisons, we would all still be arguing whether it was 2ce, mdpv, or jwh.

As far as the analogue act goes we could easily have the blanket' law that makes all of Pikhal illegal like the U.K. Considering how draconian we are/have been towards many drugs I think its not a bad law and gives these limited incidents of individuals being charged with a crime a chance.

 

Same class of chemicals as MDMA, I've never taken 2c-e, but both DOB and 2c-B have similar body feelings, and they're not the same style of hallucination, but all of the above most surely can be compared to LSD in that they cause hallucinations.

You're trying to pick straws with these assessments,which are basically fair. I mean, you just said 2cx can be COMPARED to hallucinogens... are you saying that they're NOT hallucinogens? You're not even picking straws very WELL.....

The assessment that's NOT fair is that 2cx is like LSD+MDMA, and THEREFORE should be illegal.

*edit* ahh, guerilla beat me to it...

 

http://www.sify.com/news/man-charged-in-death-of-minn-teen-who-took-drug-news-others-ldzeambdedb.html

 

Great, to the average american that sounds like "the new PCP"

 

Word!!! That's like letting congress set their own pay scale. Oh, wait...

 

That's kind of why I think they oughta throw the book at the guy that gave it to everyone at the party. HE intended it for consumption... I haven't read anything about going after the source he got it for. They most likely followed the intention of the law.

Just my opinion, what he did was similar to randomly firing a weapon into the crowd and then saying "I didnt MEAN to kill anyone".

I don't mean to offend, it's just that it was extremely reckless behavior with no regard to people's safety.

 

8.9gr!!!!!