Healthcare CEO Assassinated, Killer Arrested!

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  1. Bocci

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    Ok. I can accept that this is your perspective on that. Are you capable of understanding that that is also exactly how the opposite side sees yours?

    And if you actually read the book, do you recall that it was “Ingsoc” and not “Ingcon”?
     
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  2. MeAgain

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    I am capable of understanding that there are people who don't want to engage in meaningful discourse, are not bound by facts or logic, and have no interest in understanding others' perspectives.

    Engaging them in any discussion is futile.
     
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  3. Moon Goddess

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    It's about a 25 minute watch, for anyone interested. I would appreciate it if you could take a look. I will say that she did make a mistake when she gave Brian Thompson's net worth, she said billion instead of million but $43,000,000 is still way more than most of us could ever amass in a lifetime of hard work.



    If you've watched it, thank you.
     
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  4. Karl Buchanan

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    You read it? you're the one that's in denial one killing has a real purpose, that Matters to everybody and another killing is for pocket money. You are mudding definitions on purpose to try and make them sound the same and they are not. you're hiding behind a childish tactic and no matter how much anybody points that plainly out, you still run back and Crouch behind it and say "you're not listening. murder"

    You can think whatever you want to in your mind and have fun with that but I just read 40% of the country doesn't give a damn about that guy being killed? And I just think that's intelligent people on both sides of the fence that have more thinking going on than just to sass back.

    If Ferdinand had been murdered in a back alley for his purse it would not have started World War I. You are Beyond The Pale of Goofy with this crap. He was killed on purpose in his car with his wife and it started World War I.
    And that's all the play time you get with that one
     
  5. Karl Buchanan

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    She is spot on with the insurance thing and the insurance guy thing and I agree with her completely on that. I just haven't used her words. So that generation has some light to hope in.
    Old people pretty much figured the end of the hippies would create "Global" conservative.... or at least cause actual thinking again and not just wild free gratuitous emoting as desirable or thought at all.

    They finally got it bad enough the old people don't have to bich anymore. Half the generation thinks the same.
     
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  6. Tishomingo

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    If you really could read and took your ideological blinders off, you might notice that it clearly states that assassination is a kind of murder. What is your point? That assassination isn't murder? That it's worse? Or better? If you brought that out earlier, I, and I suspect most other readers have forgotten and couldn't care less. Get a life!"
     
  7. Karl Buchanan

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    You take your lame efforts off? I never said it wasn't murder. I was talking about the motive and he was in denial of the motive and you weren't even in the conversation, you're just here trying a lame effort that isn't going to get any gratification either. Most people equate murder to something cruel for something cheap and assassination to something that affects everybody for something larger.
    You can play around with that all you want to all by your own self.
    I think the big difference between us is that I did have a life....and you had a cause or something for a substitute that lacked real calories or something?
     
  8. Moon Goddess

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    :rolleyes: I give up. Bye.
     
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  9. Bocci

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    Understandable. Your perspective will be missed.
     
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    Sorry. Republicians did not revoke Obamacare. too popular w voters.

    Is good the enemy of perfection?
    or visa versa?

    You can think whatever you want to in your mind and have fun with that but I just read 40% of the country doesn't give a damn about that guy being killed?

    40% of milenialls only
     
  11. Tishomingo

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    Yeah. I do it a lot. My MAGA friends are coming over tomorrow evening for our weekly get together, and we do converse. I think they're wrong, but we're at least civil with each other. If I didn't talk to Retrumplicans, I'd be a lonely man here in Oklahoma, as red a state as any in the country.
     
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    Hmm. What a thing to measure. Someone actually thought, “This ONE guy just got killed. Let’s sample the population and analyze it by age cohort to see what they think of this one event. “Interesting.
     
  13. MeAgain

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    Oh, my apology, it is murder, but for a purpose. Or, as they say, a motive.
    Like if I kill someone for money, that's the motive for the murder.
    And if I kill someone because I don't like my health care, that's the motive for the murder.
    It has real purpose.

    Glad you cleared that up.
    Killing for money...bad.
    Killing because I don't like my health care...okay.
     
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  14. Tishomingo

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    Interesting. My "cause" is to have discussions in which people exchange ideas based on reasoned opinions backed by supporting evidence, the sources of which they're willing to disclose.

    But I still don't understand your position on assassinations and the healthcare CEO. Are you just enlightening us with semantic distinctions, or do you think assassinations are justifiable? If so, do you think Magione was justified in killing the CEO or that it had positive effects? You gave Moon goddess's video a "like", but as usual, your comments were a tad cryptic and jargon-laden. "She is spot on with the insurance thing and the insurance guy thing and I agree with her completely on that. I just haven't used her words. So that generation has some light to hope in. Old people pretty much figured the end of the hippies would create 'Global' conservative.... or at least cause actual thinking again and not just wild free gratuitous emoting as desirable or thought at all. They finally got it bad enough the old people don't have to bich anymore. Half the generation thinks the same" What does that mean? Plain English, please. To further clarify, I have the impression from this our other posts on this thread (trying to wade thru the idiomatic or metaphorical language), that you think rich oligarchs are running this country and Magione's act helped awaken many Americans to that reality. But that Trump and the MAGA "populist" revolution give us hope of restoring power to the people? Or not. Am I misinterpreting you? Could that possibly be what you're trying to say? If not, what is it? Straight answers would be helpful--without allusions to Satan, meat, nouvous, or other code words. I know plain English can be boring, but it helps in clarifying thoughts. That is, if you're actually trying to communicate, as opposed to just ventilating.
     
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  15. Karl Buchanan

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    "Assassination is the highest form of Public service" is my own opinion.
    Yeah, cuz I just don't make up everything out of my uneducated and messed up heart, I go by dictionary definitions and consensus reality, cuz that's how you can communicate with other people.
    Just like this whole childish wrestling match for a simple definition, that you choose to redefine to others and they don't care. Conversation? All you really want is to hear what you think coming out of others mouth and that's never going to be a "conversation" or happen with me.
     
  16. Tishomingo

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    So are you advocating assassinations? All I want to hear is a rational argument on the subject. Dictionaries won't give you that, nor is there a consensus on the subject. I was hoping hope we're beyond the conceptual stage and can get to something more "meaty". "The highest form of public service". My, my. That sounds pretty extreme. Who said that? The only source I know of is Chiun in the 1985 flick: Remo Willliams, the Adventure Begins. Except I think the quote was "Professional assassination is the highest form of public service." Is that where you got the concept? And are you actually advocating it? I guess we'll never know, since you've decided a conversation, at least with me, is "never going to happen." We're just supposed to sit back while you spout off?

    It looks like Luigi wasn't really professional, just an idealist with a lot of anger toward the insurance industry in particular, and corporate America in general. If that's him on Moon Goddesses video stroking his cheeks and speaking rapidly in apparent distress, it looks like he was personally worked up, and I agree 'the system" is majorly defective. The question is: What to do about it?

    Here are AI's suggestions of some issues we might discuss in this regard.
    1. Context of the Quote: The phrase is often used to provoke discussion about political violence and its justification.
    2. Historical Usage: It has been linked to revolutionary rhetoric where assassination is seen as a means to achieve political goals.
    3. Moral Implications: The statement raises ethical questions about the value of human life versus political objectives.
    4. Public Perception: Such claims can polarize public opinion, with some viewing it as a critique of oppressive regimes.
    5. Political Justification: Advocates may argue that removing a tyrant can lead to greater societal good.
    6. Criticism: Many condemn the idea, arguing that it undermines democratic principles and rule of law.
    7. Philosophical Debate: It invites philosophical discussions on the nature of justice and the morality of violence.
    8. Cultural References: The phrase has appeared in literature and media, often to illustrate the extremes of political ideology.
    9. Contemporary Relevance: In modern politics, discussions around targeted killings and state-sponsored assassinations echo this sentiment.
    10. Legal Consequences: Assassination is illegal under international law, complicating any arguments for its justification.
    I'd add to the list the paradox that folks who just voted Trump intto office would apparently also be praising this form of "public service".
     
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  17. Moon Goddess

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    Just clarifying something since I was mentioned.

    Luigi is not in that video at all except for a blip of his arrest without audio. Do you not know what he looks like? The Tiktok videos featured in the YouTube video I posted are just from lots of random people, telling their stories or giving their opinions. The point was to highlight how so many people with all different backgrounds are affected by the "ruling class". The people in those videos don't actually talk that fast, they are sped up to save time on the video.
     
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    Thanks for the correction. One guy in the video rubbing his cheeks, looked like him to me, but wasn't identified as such. I have no experience with Tiktok at all.
     
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    So what, if any is the consensus on this CEO execution, folks. Good, bad, indifferent? Are we only talking about it because the media picked up on it? Did the media pick up on it for any reason other that a bunch of women posted on social media that he was hot (rather than the usual dateless wonder)?
     
  20. MeAgain

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    Karl believes that, "Assassination is the highest form of Public service".

    Of course the problem is, who decides who needs to be assassinated?
    Secondly, who guarantees that an assassination will have beneficial effects? It could lead to negative consequences.
    Thirdly what are the moral implications and actual social results of promoting vigilante shootings of anyone you happen to disagree with?
    Sounds pretty scary and insane to me.
    Picture pissed off people running around with assault weapons shooting heath care workers, school board members, doctors, religious leaders, etc. becasue they disagree with them or the policies of the institutions they work for.

    We are entering an era when violence is praised and seen as a simple answer to complicated problems instead of seeking rational answers, like voting for those who support beneficial changes.

    The mob is crying for blood becasue they are too lazy to research the problem or attempt to understand the various policy changes proposed by various politicians.
    They would have to read, listen, and comprehend various issues.
    Much easier to just shoot people.
     
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