Harper won Canada zero

Listen, making government workers cost twice as much is gonna hurt business, believe you me.

I love it that you can't rebut what I say so you attack me and or my grammar. Kisses!

 

There isn't a point to rebut - the end goal of government is to help people, not business.

And don't say it works out to the same - the trickle down effect was long ago disproved.

 

Everything hurts business. The weather hurts business.

I still don't understand why parental leave is such a big deal because it hurts business. Kind of avoidable.

 

i just think 1 year is rather excessive. Why is more than 3 months(arbitrary number) needed? Surely it isnt for medical reasons...

 

Actually yes it is. Well, it could be. The child could have some complication, or the mother may have needed surgery of some sort to recover. Not to mention nursing the baby off the breast. This doesn't take a year to ease the baby onto the bottle, but it can take more than three months. The baby could have allergies, diabetes, infections, and could require constant around the clock care, or even remain hospitalized for the first year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave

I consider myself lucky that I even have this right in Canada unlike people in the US and Australia.
It's such a hugely busy time, and important part of life. Plus it's something most people will use at some point, so everyone's contribution meets everyone's reward. Or at any rate, a large number of people. There is too much good sense in the things Canada has already gotten right in social programming, and so much agreement on things that need to be improved (child care etc).

 

Besides, who would take the responsibility to look after a 3 month old baby (healthy or not) even if they were being paid?

There aren't that many services out there guaranteeing that the child is properly cared for.

 

Your average mother doesn't need 3 months or more to recover. My mother was back working(as a professor) within 2 weeks of giving birth. Albeit we were healthy babies.

Circumstances do arise, but i dont think policy should be based around that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave

As far as i know, mothers in the US are given a 3 month job protected leave. I'm not sure why i should have to pay for someone to take a year(or more in places like sweden) off. It is just not needed in most cases.

 

Daycare if it can be afforded or offered by work. Many, many businesses offer daycare for their employees...low income people are given free daycare from the government.

This is just another thought that should be taken into account when a family has a kid. Kids cost money...Why should someone else pay for you to have a kid? it just makes no sense.

I guess this hasnt become an issue in America because we have a high immigration rate and dont have to worry about a falling number of children. In most western countries, they are desperate to have kids...

 

If it's not needed, then most women do go back to work - yeah. They make more money if they go back to work anyway.

 

Our government doesn't offer free childcare yet.

 

ours is limited..you have to be pretty destitute. Its those just above poor that get fucked in America.

 

How is raising taxes helping people, or taxing businesses out of the country or to the point where they aren't hiring? Remember that whole "brain drain" thing?

Nobody's opposed to parental leave. Take the time off you want. Just if you're gonna take more than a month or two, sorry, we have work to get done here. And, you can take all the time you want off, just don't expect a paycheque for doing nothing.

This is what creeping socialism does, folks. Suddenly businesses are expected to be charity cases. Do you realise Canadian businesses are competing against Chinese ones that literally use slave labour? Let's just tie ANOTHER anvil to your legs and see if you can keep up the race, guys...

Psssttttt..... it's so people can take off a year's leave, paid.

And this is your employer's problem, how?

Yeah, but it isn't paid.

You'll notice it's a right now? You have the right to sit there and breed and have other people pay your bills. Just like yer granny, right Aristartle? The apple doesn't fall that far from the tree does it.

Neither do most businesses. I forsee a lot less women being hired and a lot less hiring going on in Canada in general.

 

Yup. But many don't, it's a damn nuisance. The best thing to do is what we did - if ya wanna breed, have one parent work, one parent stay at home and live on less. Hey wait, like they used to do in the good old days.

In many cases, low income women breed to get more welfare. They don't really care that the strain this puts on society means the social safety net becomes threadbare, broken, etc. People like Aristartle, who probably has yet to have her first full time job (she's still waiting to find that $45,000 a year full benefits flex time place with a thirty two hour work week) don't see the problem with jacking up the taxes. I mean, you already pay about 60% of your income in Canada in taxes... why not 70% so that the parasites can get more free stuff?

That sucking sound was jobs going South, and to the Far East and India.

 

Isn't it funny with all this jibjab nonsense between Canadians and Americans as to which country is better? The truth is, more and more Canadians and Americans are choosing to live abroad every year and for very good reasons, and I am one of them. I am one of those who "Left it" cause I don't "Love it" > Canada or America, they are actually quite similar in all essential economic and technological respects, their petty political differences are of no actual significance. I have lived in both countries, they both are expensive countries with asshole police and government and the main values being the neverending acquisition and consumption of superfluous goods and commodities, showing off your neighbor with your new machine, climbing the corporate ladder, high finance and technology are the gods of these countries, they contain a largely (there are exceptions) ignorant populace which includes many who are content with fritting their lives away drinking beer while playing with every flashy new tech toy that is dazzled in front of their eyes and watching sports and shouting across the border or at each other while slaving away for their governments, under the illusion they are free while living as wage-slaves shouting from their respective cages to boost their egos. So, yeah, keep it in Canada and the U.S., if you please, we don't need that bullshit heard within earshot here in the real free third world, now back to my siesta.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson 1775

 

*Cough* Bullshit *Cough*

Lets take a look at Canadian Tax Brackets.

$0 - $35,000 – 16%
$35,001 - $70,000 – 22%
$70,001 - $113,804 – 26%
$113,805 and up – 29%
With a basic personal deductable of $8,000.

You're dropping $45,000 as a salary, so lets work that out - subtract $8,000 and we're left with $37,000.

$35,000 x .16 = $5600 in tax.
$2,000 x .22 = $440 in tax.
Added together: $6040
Which is a whopping 13.4% paid in taxes. A far cry from your dear-god-no-socialism 60%.

Even less considering most people have more deductables.

You can factor in as sales taxes as well, but they don't really apply to most people's major purchases - rent/cars. Perhaps tack on another 7%, although I think I overestimating the amount by a fair margin there.

 

*cough* bullshit *cough*

Tax Freedom Day in Canada is on July 2 - the seventh month out of twelve.
Start factoring in even further hidden taxes and you approach August. Some argue where in July it is in Canada, but

VANCOUVER, BC— When the cost of complying with government regulation is added to the amount of taxes paid to federal, provincial, and local governments, Canadians don't start working for themselves until August 20, according to The Fraser Institute's new annual calculation "Government Freedom Day" announced today.

"On June 29 this year Canadians celebrated Tax Freedom Day and finished paying their tax bills. But governments have another way of accomplishing their objectives: through regulation. Complying with federal, provincial, and local regulation adds an additional fifty-four days to Tax Freedom Day, which means Canadians are truly free from government on August 20. All money earned prior to this day goes to pay for taxes or complying with regulation."

All things being equal, it now being at least July 2 means that we're August 22 before the GOVERNMENT TAXMAN IS PAID.

In the USA it's April 19.

Happy trails!

So YUO = MORON

And

Thanks to people like ARISTARTLE, Canuckistanis will soon really be rid of taxes and government mandated fees and suchlike in October.

 

I love how you make it out you only have to pay 29% of your cash to the feds.

Between taxes on taxes, provincial taxes, federal taxes, GST, EI, UI, CPP, etc. it's a wonder any of you can afford anything. Oh right, ya can't.

 

I honestly don't mind taxes and don't even notice taxes.

The taxes people pay compared to all the social services people receive are nothing.

 

I pity IronGoth - he forgot to get his wife something for Valentine's Day evidently and has started attacking my defenseless grandmother, accusing me of supporting a federal tax increase as well as "other people like me" (whatever that cowardly implies) and found it necessary to type out "You = moron" in large scale bold.

Business must be slow.

 

FYI: In Canada, there is no such thing as UI.