HAARP - Anyone Familiar With This Technology?

Even though getting involved in a lengthy discussion about Nikola Tesla is a bit off-topic in this thread; it really may not be, for his countless inventions were unarguably contributory to the theoretical
operation of what we think we know about HAARP. That said, I was quite offended by several things RooRshack said about Tesla; and subsequently, am strongly compelled to respond with information that I learned through extensive research I conducted on the life and inventions of Nikola Tesla some years ago; and presently.

RooRshack, in defense of Nikola Tesla's endeavors, my extensive research on the gentleman showed that he was possessive of a nature that had a marked leaning towards modelling his inventions to be used for peace in the world, not death. I daresay that funding was not a concern for Dr. Tesla. Regardless, it is my belief that for anyone that owns peace as their driving force and directive for their inventions, no amount of funding would be adequate enough to change their course; for they are on a course made of principle and ethics. Rare is the man indeed, who; when they have traveled far down the path of principle and ethic to result in the development of high moral character; who would suddenly change course for a reason as disdainful as the Almighty Buck. As he publicly introduced each new invention, he was strong on explaining how his invention served the betterment of mankind. But because of the incredible capabilities of his inventions, he also publicly stated that he was mindful of; and that everyone should be mindful of, the potentiality of his inventions being wrongly utilized in the future; which he would have no control over. In one document I read, there was mention of one invention of such incredible and bizarre magnitude that he decided to keep it secret and not patent because "if it got into the wrong hands ... ", he said; then didn't finish the sentence.

I'm going to such great lengths here in Dr. Tesla's defense because I believe the two statements you made (that I quoted above) are not only slanderous of his true moral character, but as well, they are erroneous. Dr. Tesla did not "want to build a death ray and shit ...",
as you said; nor was he "interested in death rays" - or for that matter; desirous of causing death, period. And, the gentleman was in possession of such a high moral character, that he would never "turn bad" simply due to a lack of funding - but I did not see any evidence of funding being a problem for him anyway. I mean, my goodness; just one event was, that Tesla was presented with the "Edison Medal" at Harvard University! Nikola Tesla was a Physicist, Electrical Engineer, and perhaps the most brilliant Inventor of all time. He has been called the Father of Radio, Television, Power Transmission, The Induction Motor, the Robot, and the Discoverer of the Cosmic Ray. Circa 1937, he announced a heretofore unknown source of energy present everywhere; in unlimited amounts, the discovery of which led him to work upon a device which he believed would make war impracticable ...
and, he fashioned the device to that end - to make war impracticable.

It costs a great deal of money to attain degrees in Electrical Engineering and Physics; and I never saw any mention made of his financial status. It follows that there was nothing said about it because it was not a consideration in his ability to accomplish great things during his lifetime. He was considered by many of his peers to be "way, way ahead of his time;" and that comes through loud and clear when you try to comprehend his patents and dissertations.

Although I shall not go into it right now, there are several inventions that Dr. Tesla described that I read about that ring quite close to the methods that the HAARP people say they are employing - but HAARP omitted the really scary parts in their website; as well as their full intentions. Tesla's ideas could certainly have far-reaching negative consequences if one chose to use them in that manner; just like the saying: it's not the gun or car that's dangerous - it's the individual(s) using it or driving it that makes the choice to use it dangerously. I would love to have known Tesla, because despite his extraordinary inventive genius and imagination that fueled his fantastic inventions, he seemed possessive of a certain kind of innocence and naivete' that gave him a false sense of security in believing that people in general would never be bad and evil enough to use his inventions for anything but for what he intended them - the betterment of mankind. I truly believe that if the man thought otherwise, he would not have made his inventions public. There were probably people that were really bad during his time; he just didn't encounter them, and in that era, word couldn't travel with a quickness the way it can now for us.

Anyway, to make a long story even longer, I've taken the time to provide some information taken from a few newspaper articles about several of Tesla's inventions; on the days they were released. I've included quotes from Dr. Tesla himself to substantiate his propensity towards peace through his inventions. Here they are:
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TESLA INVENTS PEACE RAY
New York Sun - July 10, 1934
Tesla Describes His "Peace Ray" - A Beam of Energy To Protect

Invention of a "beam of matter moving at high velocity" which would act as a "beam of destructive energy" to serve as protection, was announced today by Dr. Nikola Tesla, the inventor, in his annual birthday interview.
Dr. Tesla is 78, and for the past several years has made his anniversary the occasion for announcement of scientific discoveries.
The beam; as described by Dr. Tesla to rather bewildered reporters, would be projected on land from power houses set 200 miles or so apart and would provide an impenetrable wall for a country in time of war. Anything with which the ray came in contact would be destroyed, the inventor indicated. Planes would fall, armies would be wiped out and even the smallest country might so insure "security" against which nothing could avail.
Dr. Tesla announced that he plans to suggest his method at Geneva as an insurance of peace.
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From: "Liberty", February 1937
by Nikola Tesla, as told to George Sylvester Viereck

A Famous Inventor, Nikola Tesla, Picturing Life 100 Years from Now, Reveals an Astounding Scientific Venture Which He Believes Will Change the Course of History

A MACHINE TO END WAR

"I want to state explicitly that this invention of mine does not contemplate the use of any so-called "death rays."
Rays are not applicable because they cannot be produced in requisite quantities and diminish rapidly in intensity with distance. All the energy of New York City (approximately two million horsepower) transformed
into rays and projected twenty miles, could not kill a human being, because, according to a well known law of physics, it would disperse to such an extent as to be ineffectual."

"There are three ways by which the energy which determines human progress can be increased: First, we may increase the mass. This, in the case of humanity, would mean the improvement of living conditions, health, etc. Second, we may reduce the frictional forces which impede progress, such as ignorance, insanity, and religious fanaticism. Third, we may multiply the energy of the human mass by enchaining the forces of the universe, like those of the sun, the ocean, the winds and tides."
"The first method increases food and well-being. The second tends to bring peace. The third enhances our ability to work and to achieve. It cannot be called progress if it is not constantly directed toward increasing well-being, peace, and achievement."
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One Of The Difference

 

I know what you mean, I have a hard time imagining that HAARP can cause earthquakes. The supposed man made earthquakes, if they are man made, to me would be cause by local oscillators, tectonic manipulation, underground bombs or possibly even space weapons before I would think that HAARP was the cause. I am still torn as to whether any of these quakes or tsunamis etc are caused by man, I wish that they are not but videos like the one I posted with the Russian politician making strange threats prevent me from wiping it completely from my mind.

Yes, controlling weather is easy and something humans have been doing for quite some time, even inadvertantly. There are apparently antenna arrays not unlike HAARP all around the world, not just in Alaska.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what comes of it. So far, not much at all has come of it, at least not that has been released to the public, which is strange because surely they built it for a reason? It was funded by the US Air Force, US Navy and DARPA... These are organisations that are interested in weapons, surveillance and occasionally communications. University of Alaska also funded the project, a much less threatening source of funding. The question is: Is it a war machine or a peace machine?

 

I followed your link, and I couldn't find the stuff you mention about "direct energy weapon" - would you kindly show me the way? Thank you, RooRshack.

Regards, One Of The Difference

 

Guys - I found some really good information on HAARP, but I don't have the time to post it all right now; I gotta go to work. It is information put together by a research team who wrote a book entitled, "Angels Don't Play THIS HAARP - Advances in Tesla Technology". Yikes! The article I read was prepared to provide a summary of the contents of this book, and here are a couple of excerpts from it:

"The United States Navy & Air Force joined with the University of Alaska to build a prototype for a ground based "Star Wars" weapon system located in the remote bush country of Alaska called "HAARP". Many objections have been registered about the facility, as word is getting out through the use of the communication tools of today - and not just over the Internet. Fax machines, a number of alternative print media, word of mouth, forums, and syndicated talk radio programs nationwide - people are waking up and talking about this new intrusion by an over zealous United States Government ." "HAARP publicity gives the impression that the program is mainly an academic project for our own good. However, other U.S. military documents put it more clearly: HAARP aims to learn how to exploit the ionosphere for Dept. of Defense purposes. Press releases & other info from the military on the project continually downplay what it could do. A government document from way back in 1990 indicated that the RF power zap will drive the ionosphere to unnatural activities of unknown proportions."

The article said the instabilities commonly being studied are approaching their maximum RF energy dissipative capability, beyond which the plasma processes will "runaway" until the next limiting factor is reached." (this translates into: they don't really know what they're doing or what potentially far-reaching consequences could be!)

One thing the military strives to do with the HAARP system is:

- Provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working.

Moreover, they're not revealing other uses, and the effects from the reckless use of the high power levels they are experimenting with in our natural shield - the ionosphere - could be cataclysmic according to most scientists.

To put it simply, HAARP is an "experiment" in the sky, and "experiments" are just that: they are done to find out something not already known; to get unknown results of unpredictable consequences. Independent scientists told Dr. Begich & Manning, the authors, that they see HAARP as a "skybuster" with unforeseen potential effects, and they see it as an act of global vandalism, as it were.

You guys can get more information - it gets far worse - if you can pull up information from the book "Angels Don't Play THIS HAARP". It tells about HAARP History & the Patent History; how it works exactly; as well as the related research that uncovered bizarre schemes involving underlying political strategies. In a nutshell: it seems like it ain't nuthin' nice! And, that is an extraordinary understatement, to say the very least. It's looking like to me that we got a serious problem on our hands, kids. I gotta go to work; more later.

One Of The Difference

 

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Here's the page on his weapon, though it's rather lacking:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleforce

According to the page on tesla himself, he said: "[The nozzle would] send concentrated beams of particles through the free air, of such tremendous energy that they will bring down a fleet of 10,000 enemy airplanes at a distance of 200 miles from a defending nation's border and will cause armies to drop dead in their tracks."

I suspect that since the time of his death it has been determined to be impossible or impracticle/ineffective, or I expect it would have seen deployment during the cold war. He did, after all, try to sell it to both the US and the soviets, shortly before that era.

 

Just scroll down on the main wiki Tesla page and there's a section subtitled with "Directed Energy Weapon".

I've been doing some reading up and apparently this Death Ray idea is false expansion of the technology Tesla envisioned/claimed he was working on. Tesla knew well that any beam or ray would disperse over far too short a distance to be of any use. Something like all the power in New York City (probably based on several decades ago), if it were formed into a ray and fired at you from a mile away would dissipate far too much to actually kill you. I hope I'm remembering that fact properly, don't want any of you testing it out and zapping yourselves! The device he seems to describe is more like a forcefield, a network of energy senders and receivers in a network around a given area. The forcefield would vaporise anything that touched it. I think he reasoned that if all countries had this technology then they wouldn't be able to attack each other so would give up on war. So, does everyone get that? Not a death ray that you direct at things, more like an electric fence without the fence.

I also found a more complete story of the quote of his that I mentioned earlier. It does have some connection with the oscillators, though for some reason he's talking about dynamite, too. Apparently he either said a few of these "Splitting the Earth" quotes or he said one and time has produced many variations. "I can split the Earth like an apple" seems quite a prevalent version.

LOL Check out the Tesla Coil car-theft protection!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlNGKly09CQ&feature=related"]Fun with a Giant Tesla Coil - YouTube

 

Though apparently not the 1GW beam from HAARP... Must be because it's a beam of radio waves. OR Maybe it dissipates to less of that power by the time it gets to the ionosphere, or maybe it just spreads out a bit but still gets up there. Puzzling.

OOOH I remember what I was going to write to start with, now: Studies of Earthquakes have shown that disturbances in the ionosphere happen before and during the quakes. Could this mean HAARP in action? Could it be what HAARP is trying to imitate? I WANT ANSWERS, DAMMIT!

 

I stopped by the Library on my way home and there was one book on the shelf about Tesla, it was called: "Wizard - The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla - The Biography of a Genius." It was on hold for somebody, so they wouldn't let me check it out today, so I sat in the Library and read a bunch of it - boy, did he ever have a complex life; and a very difficult life. You are right, RooRshack, about him having difficulties sometimes with selling his patents. His financial status vacillated up and down his whole life. For a fairly long time early in his career, he was living at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City, and hung out with all the great minds of the day; enjoying a wealthy lifestyle. He was always very much respected by his peers, and it was publicly understood how great he was. But he was not arrogant about it - one of his great inventions still in use today was some electrical thing he invented for Niagara Falls, and that was a real big deal. But he got financially screwed bad on it by Westinghouse, (I think) .... I was skimming thru the book, but I think what happened is Westinghouse pulled some sort of manipulative ploy involving buying the patent from Tesla - I think Westinghouse installed the device at the Falls, maybe; but it was still Tesla's invention. Anyway, what I do remember for sure is that Tesla was only paid $216,000.00 for the invention, and I believe he had to sell the patent to them in order to get paid. At any rate, they pulled some kind of convoluted scheme on Tesla because they knew he was down & out and they knew they could. What bastards - but it doesn't surprise me at all. Then, they reaped, like millions on the deal somehow. This sort of thing seemed to happen a lot to Tesla; and as a consequence, he was never able to attain any really great deal of wealth that he so deserved - other people made money off his ideas by lending him a small amount of money to continue a project, but it's like they all purposely kept him down or something. He had a few life-long close real friends that were always there for him in a pinch, so he was never rendered homeless or anything. One time he was so broke (when he was still young & relatively unknown), that he sought out manual labor work to earn money for food; and he got a job for a short while digging ditches! What's cool is that it was not beneath him to do whatever it took to continue forward.

What he intensely disliked about selling his patents is that he no longer had control over how the invention was going to be used. I gotta go eat dinner; talk to you in a bit.

One Of The Difference

 

Heres a HAARP fact sheet from 1997 (I TOOK THE EARLIEST COPY I COULD FIND OF THIS PAGE AS MORE RECENT ONES WERE PROBABLY ALTERED AS THEY REALISE MORE PPL KNOW OF THE TRUE DANGERS OF THIS THING NOW!!)

http://web.archive.org/web/19970627120545/http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/haarpFactSheet.html

 

I've sort of toyed with the idea of insulating the panels on my car from the chassis, and wiring them as an electric fence. Just to get those fuckers who draw dicks in the dust:daisy:

The problem of the quarterpanels being part of the monocoque got me, though.

 

These are the words of Nikola Tesla, in 1939:

"Out of this war - the greatest since the beginning of history - a new world must be offered by Humanity; where there will be no humiliation of the poor by the violence of the rich; where the products of Intellect, Science, and Art will serve society for the betterment and beautification of life - and not the individuals; for achieving wealth. This new world shall be a world of Free Men and Free Nations; equal in dignity and respect."
....... Nikola Tesla, 1939


Such a noble vision had he .... it is unfortunate; to say the very least; that
humans such as Nikola Tesla were exceptionally different from the rest. If everyone operated with a mindset such as this, we would all live in peace and harmony. (What a dream world I'm living in to think that this could be possible in these times in which we currently live.)

OneOfTheDifference
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"We have guided missles, and misguided men."
....... Martin Luther King, Jr.
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I think we should all ring this # and tell them WE KNOW WHATS GOING ON AND TO STOP FUCKING AROUND!!

907-822-5497

 

wonderful! thanks for sharing!

 

Something is severely wrong with messing with the atmosphere by shooting frequency waves into it. THE EARTH'S NATURAL FREQUENCIES ARE LIKE THAT FOR A REASON.
Just for some military technology? Nice...let's screw up the planet for the rest of us solely to make our tools of war better.

 

Exactly and thats why SOMEONE needs to destroy all these HAARP bases in the world!!

They are dangerous and harmful to life as we know it!

 

Argh, I intend to read through this entire thread and will probably post another comment or so but I just felt I should mention this site before I forget, I think a lot of you might find it interesting.
See, when I first found this it was supposed to only show flights (I believe in real time) over sweden but as it was so close to the boarder of my own country i figured it might well be worth checking out.
To my surprise though it seems to show all flights across the globe actively transmitting with a radar tower, now I know these are not all swedish planes so I figure it might be of some use trying to cross referance chem trails and the likes.
Here it is:
http://www.flightradar24.com/

 

Very Cool Website - Thanks! I wonder why it doesn't show any traffic over the midwest and great plains in the U.S.?

 

I'm going to guess that's because there's no fucking radar installations in the middle of the plains?:2thumbsup:

Clearly is not connected to very many radar systems. There's many many many many times that many planes flying right now, it doesn't show ANY over most states at all, I just heard a plane fly over, I mean, seriously, it only shows ONE flight that's not on a US seaboard.

So..... it's cool, but very very very incomplete, and as such, not a good tool for people who want to go "ahh, but they didn't tell us about that plane!" or whatever.

I:lovearanoia, you guys are fun.

 

Huh.... interesting, I think the site must be restricting what it shows based upon location of the user because at around the same time you posted that I just had a look at the site and they showed planes across the US, Russia, Europe, etc...
I wouldn't claim it's by far all the planes up there but it sure showed at least 90% more than you claimed to see.
Perhaps going to the site through a program like Thor to see if it shows different flights according to user location might be an idea, to lazy myself tho ^^


Just had a look at the site and it still has world wide coverage for me, almost nothing over Russia as China though as might be expected but oddly enough it doesnt show more than one flight over Africa and like mentioned earlier nothing over the centre of the USofA.

 

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