Guncrazy USA

As a US citizen, I need a gun to protect my family from out tyrannical government.

 

Salmon

Already covered here -

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3658951&postcount=1

 

Having a gun and knowing how to use it makes another person (governments, entities, nations) think twice ...

 

Of course, being armed and knowing how to use it is a deterrent.

Even a martial artist proficient for example, in open hand techniques, that do not need a gun for that matter, can still a potentially lethal and dangerous.

Therefore, guns are not even an issue here.

 

Yes, of course, you are right DPitt.

There are people who seem to be fixated that the issue of gun control, would somehow turn this world of ours into some sort of "paradise on earth", if only guns were somehow controlled and confiscated, except of course from a select few who would then, have the power to impose whatever agenda they have in mind...

 

Pitt,

I ask you again - what is the point of me repeating things you have ignore several times already?

I’ve given you my counter arguments and criticisms of the arguments you have presented (or cited) a number of times, you refuse to address them – so what is the point of me repeating them again just so you can ignore them again?

It is like a child asking for ice-cream and being told ‘NO’ who then just repeats the question over and over in the hope the answer will change.

It doesn’t matter what I say, if it isn’t what you want to hear you just ignore it.

Yes I think the deterrence value of guns is overstated by pro-gunners if you wish to address what I’ve said on the subject please do so.

Just saying you are right and I’m wrong isn’t addressing what I’ve said; it just seems to imply you haven’t anything to counter what I’ve said.

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Mandell

Are you just blowing off steam or are you actually willing to talk?

Have you read the opposing arguments to the deterrence value of guns?

If you have please address what has been presented (something Pitt has still failed to do) because you haven’t done so in you post?

If you haven’t, why haven’t you?

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OK, Balbus, so if gun control would actually make this world such wonderful "paradise on earth", please tell why it actually hasn't happened yet.

Other than your talking about "gun control", you actually haven't done anything yet to make it a reality.

Instead of gun control, we have worldwide, gun, arms proliferation.

I mean, you can talk about gun control until the cows come home.
It didn't happen before, it ain't gonna happen.

Why? Because there are way too many A@#$o@@^&, including gun control advocates.

 

Pitt

Again this has been covered many times already and you still haven’t addressed my counter arguments and criticisms of the things you’ve repeat here once again – so what is the point of me repeating those counter arguments and criticisms to them again when you will just ignore them again?

As I pointed out before it is like you asking me what my favourite colour is

I reply – Red

You then go – So why don’t you answer

(balbus) – I have, its red

(pitt) – See you just dance around the question

(balbus) - I haven’t, I’ve told you my favourite colour is red

(pitt) – Why are you so unwilling to tell us what it is?

(balbus) – its red

(pitt) – see you never answer questions

The problem is that it wouldn’t matter how many times I said red if what you wanted was blue, it doesn’t matter what I say if it isn’t what you want to hear you just ignore it.

So I ask again – what is the point of me repeating things or in fact saying anything if you will just ignore it if it isn’t what you want to hear?

I get it, you think guns are a force for good thing in American society

You don’t really have any rational basis for that belief just a few ideas that will remain forever flawed because you refuse to address the counter arguments and criticisms levelled against them.

That’s fine with me, but if ever you wish to actually examine your beliefs in an open, honest and rational manner then I’d love to hear from you.

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Mandell

So as I thought you didn’t read the opposing view and so haven’t got an argument.

All you have is rhetoric and bluster.

Been there done that

Come up with some real arguments, please, not playground ballyhoo.

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Now, look who's playing here. You're the one who's bringing the subject of playground. LOL.

I can assure you, that if we had to settle this argument in real life, in person, in seriousness, it won't be a playing matter...

Look at you, Balbus, all you do is "talk", "talk", "talk" about gun control.

There is no gun control. There is not going to be. In fact, instead of gun control, their IS an arms race.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

Balbus, tell me a country, any country in the world without any standing military, police force to protect their own interests. Guns, arms, are a deterrent. They also serve to enforce the interests of certain sectors of society.

You're so uptight about "gun control", yadda, yadda, yadda, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Abolition of guns is not going to happen, let alone the right to own firearms legally in this country, for self-defense, because there are too many "gun control" wackos like you running around in this country.

Assuming you are able to ban all guns. What are you going to ban next?
Are you gonna ban pencils because someone definitely could get stabbed in their heart with a sharp pencil.

I say, quit snipping glue and drinking that car battery fluid and wake up to the real world. LoL.

 

Pitt

“Once again I have stated the reasons i Believe they are a deterrent”

Yes you have, you have stated your view many times but that is my very point because for every time you have stated it in the past I have given you my counter arguments and criticisms, but you don’t address them you just re-state the assertions and ignore what I’ve said – you are still ignoring it.

So I ask you once again – what is the point of me repeating my counter arguments and criticisms if you have already ignored them several times already?

The thing is that your assertions still remains flawed however many times you repeat them now, because those counter arguments and criticisms are still outstanding and will remain so until you address them.

If you were an honest and honourable person you would address the counter arguments and criticisms I’ve already presented but I think you realise that doing so would show up the weakness of your viewpoint and therefore you continue to use lies and trick to hide from that possibility.


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Mandell

I can assure you, that if we had to settle this argument in real life, in person, in seriousness, it won't be a playing matter...

What does that mean?

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Balbus, tell me a country, any country in the world without any standing military, police force to protect their own interests. Guns, arms, are a deterrent. They also serve to enforce the interests of certain sectors of society.

Have you read – Can guns save you from suppression? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3658951&postcount=1

or any of my theory on the attitude of threat/intimidation?

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Abolition of guns is not going to happen,

I have not been arguing for it, again it is obvious you haven’t read my arguments so don’t know what you are talking about.

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Assuming you are able to ban all guns. What are you going to ban next?
Are you gonna ban pencils because someone definitely could get stabbed in their heart with a sharp pencil.

Again I’ve covered that many times and shown that argument to be basically silly.

Have you actually read any of the posts in which it is discussed?

So it seems once again you don’t really know what you are talking about, it’s just more juvenile ballyhoo.

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I say, quit snipping glue and drinking that car battery fluid and wake up to the real world. LoL.

Scratch juvenile and replace with idiot.

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Erh, the one who whines about why there isn't any gun control around and why there are so many guns running loose all over the world, and yet cannot point to a country, where there actually is absolutely no guns around, is the one who is a juvenile, whiny ass, wanker...

Do you cry to your momma, every night because you're afraid of so many guns running loose.

I bet the only reason you want to collect all the guns running loose in the streets is so you can stick them up your gay ass. LOL.

Ooooh, I'm so scared.... ; ) LOL.

 

Pitt

Again your accusations and arguments have been expressed before and replied to by me.

As pointed out the problem is that the points and criticisms raised by me in those replies have still not been addressed.

What is the point of me repeating my counter arguments and criticisms if you have already ignored them several times already?

It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat these accusation now, they can only be seen as flawed until you address the outstanding counter arguments and criticisms levelled against them.

Are you going to do so?


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Pitt

We have been though these things several times even the thing about you stating the Queen is a lizard.

You didn’t address the things I said countering them then so what is the point of me repeating them now?

I’ve told you it doesn’t matter how many times you repeat these things now, they can only be seen as flawed until you address the outstanding counter arguments and criticisms levelled against them.

This silly and dishonest trick of repeating already addressed assertions and accusations ad nauseam, doesn’t distract from the fact that they have been addressed.

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Pitt

How am I supposed to defend myself against charges that I’ve already defended myself against?

It is like a courtroom Groundhog Day – you read out the charges, I say ‘not guilty’ and give my defence and all that happens next is you re-read the charges. And you seem willing to do this until you get the answer you want.

We have been through all these things before and I’ve already shown that your accusations are false or overblown out of all recognition.

But you ignore anything that I say that you don’t like and it doesn’t matter how many times I repeat something if you don’t like it you continued to ignore it.

So what is the point of me repeating myself?

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Pitt

I’m at a loss as to what you wish to achieve here?

Are you somehow trying to prove me wrong?

You cannot do that by just repeating accusations I’ve already refuted or recycling arguments that have already got counter arguments and criticisms stacked against them that you refuse to address.

Do you think that just repeating something over and over while ignoring or ridiculing dissent somehow makes you right? That’s what happened with the Bush Admin and the Iraqi invasion and we all know where that led.

Again your stance reminds me of Creationist’s I’ve talked to – I can explain why I don’t think the world was created in six days some 6000 years ago and they just ignore what I’ve said shout loudly that the idea of evolution is just a theory, an opinion, and therefore not a FACT and so doesn’t need to be addressed, and then they just repeat that they know they are right and that the world was created in six days some 6000 years ago.

It is very frustrating to meet such closed and irrational minds but it is a sad fact of life that some people are like that.

Again I ask – what is the point of me repeating things that you have ignore several times already? -

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“you keep saying you have shown my statements about gun regulations to be "false or overblown out of all recognition".

My dear Pitt, no I don’t, you can go and check if you don’t believe me you only have to read my post.

I didn’t say that your statements about gun regulations were "false or overblown” I said that I’d already shown that the many accusations you’ve levelled at me (and keep levelling) are false and overblown.

What I have said repeatedly is that I’ve questioned your views on guns and those many questions remain unaddressed.

That I’ve given my counter arguments to your view many times along with my criticisms and you have just repeatedly ignored what I’ve said.

You are still ignoring what I’ve said

The point about the Creationists is that it doesn’t matter what criticisms are made or what evidence produced they would still ignore it and refuse to address it because they ‘know’ they are right so anything critical of their belief must be wrong and so they just repeat that the world was created in six days 6000 years ago.

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Again, what are you trying to achieve?

Repeating things that have already got questions outstanding against them does not make those questions go away.

And there seems little point in me repeating those questions as you have ignored them now many times.