"Gun town U.S.A." Not a murder in 25 years!!!

Article is back from the election season, but it's still relevant:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7359513.stm

 

Just for information since it just happened today - 11 March 2009

Alabama gunman kills ten including his mother and grandparents

At least 10 people have been shot dead in Alabama by a gunman who went on the rampage before killing himself.

The killer, in his mid-30s, murdered his own mother and grandparents, as well as the wife of a local deputy sheriff and her three-month-old baby at a mobile home in Samson, in the south of the state.
In what is believed to have been Alabama's worst ever gun crime incident, the gunman went on a killing spree across two counties armed with a semi-automatic rifle.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...en-including-his-mother-and-grandparents.html
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he was 27 not mid 30's..i can see where this is going so i gotta ask,

so whats germany's gun laws??

Police hunt for gunman who killed 10 in German school shooting

oh wait,,

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2245918,00.html

 

i don't think that there were accomplises makes irrelevant the point about parental apathy, merely more prevalent and a hint of group think happening there, perhaps.

 

it's 15 dead now. let's face it, people all over the world have had weapons at their disposal without turning psycho on their schools or families. what's happening in the world today that makes these things happen? is it our desensitization to other people? is it our tendency to shun local society? what's going on?

 

its the guns themselves just ask balbus or ari,,

i gotta say this german story is providing me with some big time LULZ.

im sure balbus salivated when he saw the alabama story and now its just a little blip on the radar in comparison to the story outta germany..lol

 

I’ve been on this particular merry’go’round before and to me it seems to have a lot more to do with the US culture wars than reality or rationality.

I’ve read through the thread and so far it is the same old, same old, been there done that.

But to me it’s not so much about the question of gun ownership being ‘effect’ because I quickly found that the problem here is that the so-called ‘evidence’ is all about interpretation with the same things coming out as for or against the proposition depending on how they were viewed.

That’s why it often seems a bit futile and much more about distraction and misdirection than constructive debate.

Last time it ended in some people getting banned when their constant repetition of assertions and propaganda that they refused to debate became nothing more than trolling and spamming of the forum.

Anyway what has always interested me has been the mentality and attitudes of the pro-gunners toward their fellow citizens and the society they live in.

Does large scale gun ownership, which in the US has historically and culturally been born out of fear of others a sign of a healthy society or one that has problems?

And why does gun ownership seem to be seen and promoted by many as a means of dealing with the symptoms of societal problems while they seemingly want to ignore the possible causes?

If anyone has anything original to contribute I’ll be really happy to reply but please try and read the background threads first.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=189921

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=231360&page=9

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=253937

 

here's a timeline of past attacks in germany.

edit, sorry, i meant to say "in past."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...school-shooting-Timeline-of-past-attacks.html

 

i'm a hunter, man. gun ownership is an integral part of my existance and diet. for the vast majority of gun owners in the USA, this is the same, and the vast majority of those gun owners don't assault anyone. look at who's doing the most killing of other people with their guns, they're typically living in a state of constant local warfare.

 

meanwhile the UK has such rampant knife violence that they have banned knife sales off E bay and other sites unless it explicitly says "cutlery"..

like the thugs wont use a butcher knife..

just a matter of time before the only knife allowed in the UK will be plastic,and then they will use baseball bats...

 

yeah, i really believe is some breakdown in social relationships and contracts that is driving a good deal of this, with the USA typically ahead of the curve.

 

you know, maybe that's bullshit. people kill each other because that's just what they do. most people don't, but enough do. we're just not informed enough about each other to see the signs and properly deal with the potential murderers prior to their rampages.

 

You don't even bother to ACKNOWLEDGE that, once AGAIN, WND had the story Right On The Money,

you just keep spewing your little Oba-mantra about them.

And THEN, to add insult to injury, you actually have the COJONES to cite Michael Moore?!?

You are truly a piece of work, Air.

 

here's some info on the effects of the shootings in regards to gun law:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_re_eu/eu_europe_gun_laws_1

 

i really think killing has to be about hate,

and at the very bottom of hate is self-loathing/self-hate.

People are stressed ~ not enough sleep, not enough decent food, no vitamin supplements (Thanx, Cherea! ), too much responsibility at work AND home, blah, blah, blah.

No one stops to take a breath, or, as we used to say, stops to smell the roses ~ they just rush right on.

And by just rushing right on, they either become, or miss, the folks that just need someone to talk to and be friends with ~ someone that makes them feel good: about their lives, their jobs, themSELVES. But NOT "fakeee" friendship, or compassion ~ the real deal. (i know you know what i mean! )

It's so hard to separate self-esteem from entitlement-thinking, though. If i'm so special, i DESERVE this, that and the other ~ everybody else has it, and i NEED it. The pity of it all is, the one DOES lead to the other, and it's an awfully thin line, that most of us slip over every now and again.

Don't get me wrong ~ it's been taken advantage of, to extreme limits, by a bunch of people. But there ARE folks that TRULY NEED help, and that DO "deserve" it ~ the little old lady, needing meals delivered, and bills paid; the expectant mother, needing training for employment; the woman whose husband just left her, needing temporary housing; The list goes on.

Ahhh, well. Just my 2¢.

 

Yeppers ~ that "raising the age limit" ought to do the trick! :rofl:

 

sometimes i read world net daily, because someitmes they have good news stories. but then again i don't cling to every word they print either. though i do often like the articles pat buchanan writes for them. but yeah, you're right about how people of a specific political persuasion will mindlessly bash media outlets that have any sort of political preferences they disagree with as bs. but as far as gun control goes, it isn't about preventing crime at all. it's about controlling how people live and taking away their right to sufficiently defend themselves against armed bullies and tyrants.

if you want any historical examples, just look to the soviet uinion or middle ages. in japan the ruling elite banned traditional weaponry amongst the commoners. so as a result the commoners made wepaons out of their rice thtrashers, hence the origin of the nunchucks. it's stuff like that, which makes weapons bans pointless.

 

Exactly, on both accounts.

Most folks read BOTH sides of the story before making up their minds,

and try not to go in with a mind-SET,

weighted either way.

They look at the evidence,

and decide if it sounds plausible, possible and likely,

or if it sounds like so much malarkey.

i also agree about weapons. (Well, DUH! i AM from Texas! :rofl: )

 

Oh FFS. Get over yourself.

People who have guns laying around are going to use them. Stop bitching at me for having my gun laws opinions and accept them for being different from yours.

 

Air? Whatcha talkin' bout foo?

I wasn't "citing" Michael Moore, I was referring to his assessment and opinions.

What do you care, anyway? Pressed_Rat spews Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Prison Planet, CNN, FoxNews, Reuters crap left right and center, and you have yet to criticize any of his views. (Sorry to bring you into this PR)

I don't really like Obama, so you're misguided. I told everyone here that I thought Obama was the flavour of the week when he first announced he was running for president and I told everyone that I would rather vote for Hilary Clinton than Barack Obama.

But you're new here, and reactional, so you clearly jump all over me when I refer to Michael Moore's film about Colombine.

Did you take your meds today, deary?