"Gun town U.S.A." Not a murder in 25 years!!!

does one party or anouther get to determin the rules of a debate?

 

im all about the freedom to do as you please. even if that means your a gay married couple who owns a arsenal of assault weapons out of fear and are bible thumping Pentecostals .

 

obviously in this forum the mods do..

 

i beleive, that every man has a right! to food water air, a sword and sheild, and a right to voice their opinion! i wish i could quote this, im sure someone said it but?
NO MAN IS GREATER THAN I

 

by that i mean no man has more rights than any outher!

 

but i dont think it has! since it comes up every so often and pepole are passionat about their opinions, i think this one should say open indefinatly!
rather than closing this to wait for another to be started! it will be an ongoing issue for time to come, so why not let it continue?

 

I don't care if it is left open or closed...but can't you see too many cheap swipes have been made? I think it is an ongoing issue but perhaps the voices that have spoken have spoken enough...

 

It should be closed because the OP is AWOL and came in here, posted something from WND and left.

This was the reason why we initiated the 100+ posts rule in this forum to begin with, because posters were coming in, posting stuff and dropping off the face of the earth, leaving a shit storm like this behind them.

 

the OP has over 350 posts..

its only a shit storm because you and balbus dont like the premise of the article..

 

Sure. Whatever you think Bill.

 

it seems i was block it might have been my pc!
dont think so!
sooo,
ill ask you again?
do you think an armed sociate would be a more polite sociate?
is your posture that the removel of guns will cure all of the ills of scociaty?
and that all gun owners think in the way that YOU, portrey them?
if so i think just as much as it SEEMS to you , you are wrong! you say that it SEEMS to you that believes in gun ownership thinks of the ills of scociaty!
you talk about fear! that drives pepole to get a gun?
all of life involves some amount of fear!
is anyone hear, trying to say that gun ownership, is onley a result of fear?
i think not!
but for an army or outher force to take away my basic human right to feed,protect or outherwise care fore me or my own is....here buy null and void!!
sorry but i have the right!!!!

 

If you reread my post you will see that I said nothing about you saying that thinking you are going to be attacked is the same as being attacked.

This is what I actually said: “You keep on talking like, thinking that there is a remote possibility that a person could someday be attacked by a violent criminal, ‘psycho’ or ‘knife wheeling rapist’ is the same fear level as actually being attacked by a violent criminal, ‘psycho’ or ‘knife wheeling rapist’. It’s just not.”

I know it’s a subtle difference, one you seem to have missed but a difference none the less.

Actually in this thread you have brought this up more than everyone else combined.

Actually, no. What I’m suggesting is that for the average person in the US, they fear being murdered, maimed or raped about as much as being rained on, maybe less.

Perhaps to you, maybe in the UK you have more problems with that and so to you it would be more fear inducing but personally if someone said that to me it would arouse more curiosity than fear, I’d want to know why he felt that way.

You do talk about it a lot, just saying.

I don’t feel that most people in the US buy a gun specifically for protection (I already mentioned that I don’t agree with the conclusions you drew and said why) but I would have to agree with you that if a person bought gun specifically for protection, fear would have to be a factor in that purchase, so no that’s not what I’m implying at all.

What I’m implying is that most people that own gun in the US do so with many different purposes in mind and with protection usually being an after thought. Where as you keep making it sound like that is the only reason a person would own a gun.

No, that’s not what I’m saying. If they said it like that, I’d have to agree with you that you’re probably talking to a gun salesman but most people in the US don’t talk that way.


PS You have used this word Ridicules twice now and I don’t know what it means in the UK but in the US it means to mock and is defined as: to reduce or dismiss the importance or quality of somebody or something in a contemptuous way. I think at least in the US, the word you meant to say is ridiculous which is defined as: completely unreasonable and not at all sensible or acceptable.

 

You’re welcome but I don’t think it says what you think it says.

This is what I said: “Where in the world did you get the impression that this thread was going to be a discussion of all the societal problems of the US?”
First, this is a question not a statement and where in this question did you get the impression that I don’t think violent crime is a societal problem, please note the word all in the above question that would mean at the very least that I believed it was a societal problem just not all societal problems.

It may seem to be that way to you but that doesn’t make it so.

I personally have offered to discuss any of these wider issues you want to but so far you have brushed the offer aside.

How do you figure? I may have said or implied that it is one way of dealing with an immediate threat of violence but when did I ever say or imply that it is the only way of dealing with violence or even the best way or that in anyway it is a solution to the problem of violence?

All these things you mention are suppositions, tell if you can, why do some people live in the most retched conditions and yet do not commit crime and yet some of the most affluent do?

Yes, I know that is the point you’ve been trying to make but restating it over and over doesn’t make it true. Guns can be useful, as I’ve said; in dealing with the immediate threat of crime but who is saying that they are the solution to crime? Nobody is saying that, even in the given example of Kennesaw, gun ownership didn’t eliminate crime and violence, in fact if Kennesaw shows anything it shows merely that gun ownership isn’t the demon everyone makes it out to be, that maybe, just maybe there is no correlation between guns and crime or violence, that maybe, just maybe it’s those who are against guns are the fear mongers and are using the cry of crime and violence to get rid of guns?

Why don’t you ask them? I know why I don’t shoot people with guns. I was taught not to, who knows maybe they aren’t being taught not to shoot people? Who knows, maybe it is just that simple.

 

owb
i thank you!
im not good at this internet thing!
im much better in person!


so! we have this thing going on about gun ownership,
that some want to turn into a disscussion{or proper debate} what proper means im not sure,? i don't even know how to begin to address the crap, that some are saying,
mostly my guns were aquierd for puting down desiesed or unwanted pets im in a place that its conveinent for pepole to leave boxes of pups! do i like it? absolutly not!
the anti gun crowd, mostly are from the city,they have no idea what happens beoynd there small existence, no idea of where their food comes frome or a care! so i can see their point but i dont believe it is based in reality! verey few have had to deal they just call somone else to deal with it for them! its sad realy!
peace!

 

Perhaps the wrong forum for your ideas.

 

possibly! but it is about and has been brought out of the original post!
i dont own guns out of fear! as i have said before in outher threads!
witch is why i dont think this one should be closed!

 

You're welcome, and you're doing just fine. You make a good point, This whole gun ownership thing is just common sense for those who are country folk but the city folk, who have been insulated from real life, sometimes just don't get it.

May you sing and dance with one hand free,
OWB

 

pepole want to postulate certain ideas and make them SEEM as though "we" think that witch they see it!
you know as well as i thats not the way it is! i was just tryng to show there are outher uses of a "gun" than killing pepole!

sorry this was for oden!
peace!:cheers2:

 

well i do sing and i do dance atleast with one hand!
the outher is useualy filld with some outher type refreshment! lol but i can still at my age twist it up with the best!! lol
peace!:cheers2:

 

Balbus?

i suppose that if you think about the different scenarios folks have tried to draw for you,

a gun is a just tool, that is used for:

Something you may or may not have to deal with: a rattlesnake; a sick animal; a pack of coyotes after your chickens or pets; whatever.

If everything is copasetic, you don't need to use it;

however, if things start taking a turn for the worse, you'll be damned glad you have it ~ walk up on a rabid animal and see what happens. If you can't kill it before it bites you, YOU could very well die.

And that's where the Insurance comparison came in ~ Americans believe in Insurance ~ to have you tell it, because they're afraid of whatever they're insured for. And, yeah, i guess you could say i'm sort of afraid of an auto accident: what having to pay for the vehicle out of my own pocket would cost; what the medical bills, if any, for either party could cost me; what damages to the other vehicle might cost me, in addition to the damages to my vehicle; blah, blah, blah...

Insurance isn't sold from a "Fear This Above All" point of view, here. We buy it just in case, not because we're living in mortal fear of having an accident.

And that's where the umbrella came in: Umbrellas aren't sold to folks from a worst case scenario type of situation ~ i.e., an exceptionally active storm, with lightning strobe-lighting the world, and thunder booming within seconds of the flashes. However, i would imagine that someone who was on their way to work, and didn't want to spend half the day drying out, could have purchased the umbrella out of fear, but more than likely, they realized that an umbrella wouldn't be COMPLETE protection, if the worst happened.

Just because we're prepared for the worst

doesn't mean we aren't hoping for the best!

But it never hurts to be prepared, for whatever comes your way.