oh lets just go out and drug up the animals! you're making no sense what so ever. obvioulsy you've never been hunting and learned about it from PETA. hunting isn't just killing for fun. most folks i know hunt to eat. after the settlement of north america, most of the natural predators were wiped out in the name of protection of livestock. without these predators to keep the balance, populations of animals like the white-tail deer soared. some think this is a good thing, not so. an area of land can only sustain a certain number of animals for them to be healthy, over-population leads to lack of food, which leads to disease, which leads to death and spread of disease. there are now millions of more deer since columbus came to america, but a whole lot less land to sustain the population. hunters are now responsible to keep the natural balance for the protection of the animals. without them you'll have animals dying all over, leaving corpses to rot, due to lack of animals to eat them. in places like wyoming, montana, and colorado the wildlife and fisheries and other animal protection groups have had to go as far as to try and provide hay for animals to eat when they start to starve and die off due to lack of food, it's been a futile attempt. in places like new jersey the population has gotten so out of hand due to restrictions of where you can hunt, that chicldren can't go out into their own yards and school grounds because they are over-run with deer grazing. popular belief is that deer are peaceful "bambi's", during the breeding season a buck will attack anything the gets in his claimed territory, does will attack anything that comes near their fawns, increased population puts deer next to roadsides due to lack of food, deer have a funny way of jumping in front of a car when it comes by, most times totaling the car and often killing or seriously injuring the passengers. learn to look at both sides of an issue, you'll get alot farther when you can effectively debate an issue. all too often people look at hunters as violent machine gun toting criminals. hunters hunt, they don't hunt and then go to the bank and rob it, they don't do drive bys, we respect the land, we respect what it offers and don't take more than we need. FACT: children that are taught to hunt and fish have more respect for themselves, are more self-sufficient, are in better shape physically,get into less trouble, are more environmentally conscious, do better in school, spend less time rotting their minds with television and video games, and stay off of drugs. do the world and yourself a favor and research a subject before you speak for or against it. "ignorance can be educated, stupidity is permanent!"
Awesome suggestion! Someone mentioned that criminals would still have guns. TRUE: however, there would be FEWER gund out there. Guns break, and if they cannto be replaced, they will become extinct, basically. How many guns do you see from the 1950's? Or 60's for that matter? Older than the 50's? Most of the people who have these guns are collectors or something similiar. They don't regularly USE the guns. Someone else suggested stun guns and the like. While I am not too much of an advocate on projectile Stun Guns, pepperspray and other non-lethal forms of self-defense would be an AWOSOME alternative!
Mine don't collect dust - they're used on a regular basis. I have a Modern Collection - the majority were manufactured in the 50's-70's. Given reasonable care they should still be operational at least a coupla Generations down the road. Not if One enjoys breathing. Many 'non-lethal forms of self-defense' appear to only antagonize a sizeable percentage of attackers. That's not a desirable situation...
So, you honestly believe every single country, every single gun manufacturer will say alright we'll stop. I don't think so.
Gary, A lot of it is a cultural thing. There are many cases where a simple attack with fists, one on one, has been enough to kill a healthy individual. Any attack involving strikes to the head can easily be lethal. It takes very little pressure to crush a trachea. There are many, many ways to kill with bare hands alone, for those who desire the knowledge. A gun is merely a force multiplier. I have no doubt in my ability to easily kill a man with my bare hands, should I choose. Which I don't, as a civilized human being. As far as pepperspray? Most people with asthma or other resiratory problems can't use it. That rules out older folks, as well as my wife. In addition, pepper spray doesn't work on people with an extremely high pain tolerance, people under the influence of alcohol or drugs, as well as people who eat a lot of spicy food. It doesn't work on me, in fact. Stun guns don't work through most clothing, and are bulky, as well. Tasers work most of the time, unless they get stuck in heavy clothing but you only get one or two shots, and if those miss, or don't work, you've just angered your attacker. A firearm stops an attack in a few different methods. The one most people think of is blood loss. Destruction of major arteries by bullets causes the subject to lose large amounts of blood, resulting in oxygen deprivation to the brain and heart. Another way is by shutting down the nervous system. Bullets striking the spine stop the transmission of electrical impulses to the brain, resulting in an inability to continue the attack. A third way is when bullets strike the pelvis, shattering it, and halting forward motion. And of course, the head shot, which destroys the brain, causing instant incapacitation. I prefer any of these methods rather than counting on a can of seasoning, or a small package of batteries to save the lives of my daughter and wife. If all firearms instantly vanished form earth, POOF! and were gone, within days, there would be a black market selling homeade firearms built in workshops. As I said before, for those who bothered to read the whole thread, The genie is out of the bottle, and you can't wish it away. As for the longevity of firearms, the young man in Kentucky is dreadfully misinformed. Many, many firearms from the 1950s still function just fine. In fact, many civil war firearms are still in the hands of private collectors today. Firearms don't wear out as easily as you might think. In fact, I expect my firearms to last for several generations at least. I'm sure my grandchildren will be able to shoot it. I have a rifle built in 1891, which saw service in several conflicts, and still fires reliably today. It's called a Mosin Nagant, 1891 model, and it's one of the more popular surplus rifles available. Firearms will not wear out in great numbers. The parts which do break, are easily machined and replaced.
I love my guns. My daughters love my guns. Woe to the prick who fucks with us. That being said, it's not easy to shoot another human. When I caught an asshole robbing my garage, at the last moment I shot the tail-gate of his truck rather than his head. I, now, regret it. I lost my tools. And, he got away (with my tools.)
Yes, but I am talking about things like street crime (which I assume your guns are NOT used for) such as robbing a conveniance store, holding someone up on the street, driveby's etc. They would all have to be in the black market, and if you have a limited supply of something, then it will eventually run out. Guns do not sponteneously generate themselves. And if more are not being made, naturally they will become scarce. Given you have guns from that era, but how many othe people do? There are fewer now than there was in the 50's-70's... Reffering to your comment about the non-lethal self protection thing: Pepper spray will make anyone stop and rub their eyes for maybe just a second, and will also blur their vision enormously. This leaves the person being attacked a chance to get away. Unless you just WANT to shoot him, getting away with my life would make me happy. Then of course I would get into contact with the authorities to apprehend the guy (or woman... I am not sexist) No, of course not. That would be being EXTREMELY naive. It is more of an idealistic view than soemthing I believe will happen. Just like, for instance, I am a pacifist. I don't think we will ever get rid of all the war here on earth. However, I don't have to support it, and we (as in other pacifists) can always try to keep one from being made, or end one sooner. If one person lives because of pacifistic efforts, it was worth it. But in the same reasoning, I don't think that they would stop making guns. Not even plausable. However, that doesn't mean I have to LIKE it, it doesn't mean I have to own a gun, and it doesn't mean I can't support gun control. It is just an idea to have a world without guns, just like a world without war, fighting and hate.
If you had've shot him, you would be arrested and would go to jail. If you shoot someone during a robbery at your place, you can plead self depending on the right circumstance. But that does not always go your way either. In your situation, if you had've shot him as he was driving away (no longer a threat) you would be in the wrong. So that would be foolish. Your time would be better spent getting the licence number and make/model of the car.
easy to make a gun, but not so easy to make ammo, there was legislation some years back to put a 1,000% tax on ammunition and reloading supplies, since ammunition isn't protected by the second amendment. if it would have passed, only the very rich would have been able to afford ammunition. it probably would have created another blackmarket item, which we all know,means more taxes, for more enforcement, more jails to lock up all the "new criminals". typical of our guvmint to make more problems in the name of solving old "problems"
I can run over @ kill more people on the beach with 4x4 truck than a high capacity pistol or rifle. and it dont make much noise either.
i think there should be no gun control except for people who have been in jail for a violent crime. like wen u buy a gun u bring a paper saying if you have ever been in jail and if you have then why. if you were in for shooting someone for beating someone to death, then no gun for you. i mean if they did it before, there is a high chance they might do it again. it would make everyone more safe. but everyone else should be able to buy.
its call a background check and all gunshop being doing it for years. but this country have 200 years of making firearms.
Nonsense. Have you ever been peppersprayed? Have yopue seen lots and lots of other people sprayed? The people not affected are usually not affected at all. Me, for instance. Spray me with pepper, you might as well be spraying water in my eyes. It's a really good way to anger someone, I'll give you that. Ammo? Ammo is easy, for criminal uses. The ammo tax would have really only hurt the honest citizens who use guns for sport and protection. Black powder and primers for same can be easily manufactured. If using a homemade gun, they'll do just fine. Uriah Heep has it right. Government can't stop drugs. How will they stop guns.
you are right about someone really persistant in making a gun and ammo. the "average joe" would probably loose a few fingers at best when making gun powder, and loss of eyebrows and other miscellaneous facial hair is always amusing,lmao. ah the sweet memories of childhood......
Well, unless your laws are different she would have been arrested. Like i said, if she had shot him in her house it might be termed self defense. But if the robber is driving away, they are no longer a threat. If you shoot them when their back is to you and are not a threat you are in the wrong, regardless of what they did earlier.
If we're discussing daylight hours - agreed. The laws change radically after Dark round here. Many thieves only work Days...
With all the hand guns owned by private citizens in the U.S. already you'd think the country had the lowest rate of rape, murder, and mayhem of the whole western world. But that ain't true. Oh gee! Looky there! In Sweden we have no hand guns - and murder is about as rare as a dildo in a Rhode Island rooster. Well look guys, guns didn't work, why not try taking them away instead? Duh!
That's good logic, Switzerland and Finland have higher gun ownership rates then the US and very low murder rates, maybe you guys should add guns.
