gun control

Discussion in 'Protest' started by malachi35, Jan 31, 2006.

  1. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    OK, nuclear bombs, stupid quote. And you know what, theres probably no law against owning it, its just to expensive and impractical.

    Barbaric and crude you say. Is it just me, or have humans hunted from the dawn of their existence. What about predators in the wild, I guess they're barbaric and crude as well.

    No one is arming criminals, I believe in gun control but its to strict. I don't think it should be easy for convicted felons to get guns. But, the fact of the matter is, if they want it bad enough, they will get it one way or another.
     
  2. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    All I have to say again is what I posted before:

    FBI Uniform Crime Report (1992) shows that 70% of violent crimes are committed by 7% of criminals, many of whom are on probation or are given parole and released early. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% state that they have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.

    The FBI's statistics also concluded: "Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry

    Brief UK/US comparison
    Britain remains one of the countries with the lowest homicide rate in the world accounting for 853 homicides in the reporting period 2003/04 according to England & Wales' Home Office for Crime Statistics [3]. At a population of more than 52 million that translates into 1.6 homicides per 100,000 residents. (Scotland and Northern Ireland, which track crime statistics separately, have slighly higher homicide rates.) For comparison, in 2000, police in the United States reported 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 population, although this statistic is somewhat skewed by the high murder rates in just a few large cities (Washington, D.C., New York City, and Chicago, IL) which essentially ban owning guns of all types.[4] For much of the US, where gun ownership is largely not restricted, and no permits are required for owning handguns or long arms, the homicide rates are approximately the same as in Britain, or lower, especially in those areas recently enacting concealed carry laws permitting licensed civilians to carry handguns and other weapons concealed in public. Breaking and entering of occupied dwellings is nearly non-existent in the US in all areas permitting private ownership of guns, whereas British statistics have increased noticeably in recent years upon the further tightening of gun ownership laws.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_po...other_countries

    According to Home Office figures released in January 2003 [1], gun related crime has increased since the 1997 ban. (Following total UK ban on private handgun owndership)
     
  3. andcrs2

    andcrs2 Senior Member

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    Here's an observation for all the 'gun control' freaks Folks:

    The US's deficiency is not one of enacting new laws...
    ...rather it's the enforcement of existing laws.
     
  4. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    What deficiency?
     
  5. andcrs2

    andcrs2 Senior Member

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    Many Posters appear to believe the US is deficient in allowing its Citizens to purchase/own/possess/use firearms...

    ...or is it a fig newton of my Imagination?
     
  6. gary.newelluk

    gary.newelluk Member

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    Here is a question for the gun nuts.....

    Would you allow people to carry sticks of dynamite around with them?

    (the answer being hopefully "no" because they will either end up killing themselves or someone else, what other uses are there for guns). Guns are made for killing whether it is human beings or animals. Noone should have one.
     
  7. andcrs2

    andcrs2 Senior Member

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    Yall don't Believe in Personal Responsibility over there? *puzzled look*
     
  8. FreakerSoup

    FreakerSoup Stranger

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    I'm not arguing against hunting. I'm arguing against hunting with pistols.

    And with AK-47's I believe that they would be less dangerous in terms of it's pretty hard to conceal an AK-47 and hold someone up with it. The ease of their transport is my main argument for their contribution to crime, and that many people keep them at bedside or under pillows and are quick to jump for them at bumps in the night makes them more liable for accidents like shooting by mistake, or being handled by unqualified people.
     
  9. andcrs2

    andcrs2 Senior Member

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    King's X!

    Let's agree to not use that argument/excuse/reason because the same can be said for any number of potentially Lethal items.
    ie:
    automobiles
    baseball bats
    booze
    dogs
    electric bathroom appliances (blow dryers/curling irons/similar useless items)
    fast food of all types
    golf clubs
    honey bees
    kichen forks/knives
    Life
    water
    Viagra


    Personal responsibility/plain ol fashioned Common Sense cannot be legislated last I checked.
    Having said all that, isn't Human Nature the
    crux of the biscuit?
     
  10. NaturaAtraSpiritus

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    banning all guns is like banning weed.

    people are still going to get it, and they will get it on the black market... which exposes people to a lot of bad shit.

    If you could just walk in a store and by weed... pretty much the whole gate way thing would be non existance...

    If you can go in a store and do a thorough back ground check, and make you register it and everything.. then that is fine...

    Guns should be legal... just regulated(as Cannabis). To conceal it you must have a permit... 21 is a good age. I think the US has pretty descent gun control laws... but thats about the only descent thing we got haha.

    I am for the 2nd amendment all the way.
     
  11. Pumpkin Eater

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    It also distorted facts, misused statistics, and was biased as hell. whats your point?
     
  12. gary.newelluk

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    I have always hated this logic........

    If something is illegal yet people are still doing it then legalizing it doesn't stop it being wrong. (i'm not against weed by the way although I don't do it myself).

    Prostitution is a good example. Prostitution goes on all around the world. It is illegal here in the UK. People say legalising it will make it safer for the women doing it.

    Most of the prostitutes are on drugs and depressed and many of them have a pimp. Prostitution over here is ran by people traffickers. People trafficking goes on by the way, should we legalise that as well.

    Just because something happens doesn't make it right.

    The object is to stop these things happening. Stop people getting guns illegally, getting drugs illegally, etc.

    One thing I don't like is that drug dealers get a huge prison sentence but drug users get a small sentence. The premise goes that if there were no drug dealers there would be no drug abuse. Supply and demand, supply and demand. The logic can be reversed. If there were no users there would be no dealers. I would set the sentence for both crimes to be the same.

    There is a big heroin problem in Glasgow (Scotland). Scotland as a whole has a big problem with it. Heroin users must be the stupidest sons of bitches ever.

    We are shown videos at School about the effects of heroin and how addictive it is. We are told by parents, authority, the law etc how bad it is yet people still think they can take heroin and live a normal life. Heroin users generally become poor and then become petty theives then burglars, then violent burglars etc. I have no sympathy for people addicted to heroin.
     
  13. andcrs2

    andcrs2 Senior Member

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    In Locals where prostitution is legal is this still True/how are things?

    Things were Better round here before they closed the Chicken Ranch.
    http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/CC/ysc1.html

    Just curious...
     
  14. gary.newelluk

    gary.newelluk Member

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    You can't legalise things just because its happening anyway.

    People commit murder do you want to legalise that.
     
  15. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    How the hell did you get to heroin?
     
  16. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    You completely missed the point. If you make a law, criminals will break it. Murder is a stupid thing to say. But with guns, if you arm the citizens, the criminals will be afraid becuase they won't know if they're armed or not.
     
  17. gary.newelluk

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    Thats just plain dumb.

    I live in a country where guns are largely banned except for things like clay pigeon shooting and not once have I been threatened with a gun.

    The chances are that if I'm attacked in the UK the attacked will have a knife. So ban the knives as well, don't let me carry one for the element of surprise.
     
  18. malachi35

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    Where do you live?
     
  19. gary.newelluk

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    Scotland. I'm from Southern England though and have spent time in the Portsmouth, Guildford and London areas.
     
  20. Broad Daylight

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    American pro-handgun people say, “Guns don’t kill, only people do.”

    If that’s the case, (and with homicide being is what it is in the U.S.) then I guess the only conclusion to draw is that the U.S. should be the last place on earth for handguns to be distributed.
     

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