God

I believe you've got it!

 

You misunderstood me... i apologize, because now I realize that my definition of the "universe" is different than yours.

when i say 'My' , I mean "our" - as in Indian definition of the universe.

In sanskrit a universe is referred to as Brahmaand, which means "that which is created by brahma- the creator."

What I was probably trying to say in the other post is that, there are many creators, but the ultimate reality is the one who also creates the creators.

There are many creations- so the universe can also be said to be just an environment.

From a religious perspective, you are not your body, you are the soul with in. The simple proof to this would be your consciousness... no matter what changes occur on the outside, you on the inside- at a "consciousness level" remain the same.

Therefore , you are not part of the universe. However, the machine that you control- ie: your body , is part of the universe.

You are nothing more than just a mini controller of a limited environment.

 

"From a religious perspective, you are not your body, you are the soul with in. The simple proof to this would be your consciousness... no matter what changes occur on the outside, you on the inside- at a "consciousness level" remain the same."

Until a happenin in the "physical world" causes great enuf damage to my "physical body" to end my conciousness. Conciousness still is confined by the universe, and as it is, the physicality of the universe. If we didn't have physical forms, we couldn't have conciousness

The ghost in the machine, and yet, we have levals of conciousness, from the hyperconciousness induced by some drugs, to being a vegtable. And our "conciousness" does change, as our physical selves encounter situations, "live" the conciousness that dwells within us changes accordingly to encompass these new experiances. When I was a baby, I was concious of my room, and my parents, and that was bout it. Now, at the age of sixteen, I know bout the rest of the nation, the world, the universe, to certain degrees. My conciousness expanded as my experiance of this world grew. So you see, the physical world has a direct and immediate impact on our conciousness.

 

I was talking about the consciousness , that I am "me". I do not change no matter what. Also, I agree with the fact that my intelligence is confined by the universe, but not my consciousness.

What you are talking about is true, how much you know, what you know and how you perceive things depend on the experiences that you have gone through, however they do not change the inner you- that still keeps circling around "me".

 

I have a perfect idea...stop arguing about who's right or wrong and just live and let live. Let them do their own thing as long as they don't impose on your free will!


Not trying to preach, just an idea.

 

Thank you, Occam. You conceptualize very well my friend.

Suggesting that reality is a supernatural deception,
is counterpart to atheism.

One makes reality out to be complete illusion,
the other offers explanation for where the boundaries of reality lie.

I think the latter is a more solid foundation for the inquisitive mind (by far).

'The foolish man built his house upon the sand...
The wise man built his house upon the rocks...'

 

But no one is yet indisputably right. Why not encourage the continued free exchange of ideas?

Who knows whom may learn what?

argeement leads only to self-congratulations and stagnation of thought.

Hooray for free speech!

 

I agree . The stone that the builder refused has become a cornerstone.

 

MN's son

Exactly
Agree with main post

refer to sig.

WE manage this earth for our children
And we are destoying it..

Our children will curse us,,,

Do we want that? Or are we so stupid as not to care,?

Occam

 

Kharkov

How so?

Occam