God (or gods) do not exist

How would you prove that YOU exist?

 

I've actully already covered this.. but I can't find the post..

Basicly the deal is, if you want to find out if I exist, visit my website and you'll find my address.. come and visit me and you'll be able to see for yourself.

UPDATE: found it: http://hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1691187&postcount=35

 

If you could just SIT on my sofa............but I cant convince you via internet

 

Somehow in your mind you got this circumfrence thing going on in your head. Please explain to me what you think you are talking about, because you seem so far off the wall at this point, I'm not sure if anyone hear would have a clue as to what you are saying. Are you telling us that the three in one God is really 3.1415, is this the earth shakeing revelation we Christians are to be astounded with. Please explain.
This may come as a shock to you, but sometimes even humankind unknowingly will digest dust and dirt. A snake is in a position to get a little more of the same, because of his obvious lower to the ground position. To understand this verse, really requires common sense.

 

By the works of the law no man shall be justified. You can be the best living man on earth and still go to Hell. The whole point of Christ death on the cross was to save the world from sin. That is why Christ states that your best works before the throne of God is nothing but filith rags. It is Jesus Christ that saves you from sin. Your works only show your sincerity towards God. No one gets to heaven, because of their works.

 

And did they say when, where, and how these levees would break, and did they have three hundred more prophecies in their song that describes that event.
Unless they do, I don't think they are worthy of your worship.

 

You haven't answered the question - How would you prove that YOU exist?

According to the logic of Atheism, written language, especially written language that is not attributed to an objective, reliable source, doesn't really prove anything. The circular argument - The "Word" of The World Of Dan is evidence of the existence of The World Of Dan - doesn't really prove anything. A website dedicated to the promotion of The "Word" of The World Of Dan is hardly objective evidence. It's like using the Bible or the Church to prove the existence of God.

Yes, I realize it's absurd, but my disposition, my mind-set, my experience tells me it is perfectly acceptable to believe (without objective evidence) that you exist. This kind of faith does no harm.

Of course, there is always some risk that a charismatic idiot (like Bush or Bin Laden) may hijack the emotional energy of unquestioned faith to fuel his own ambitions. But that is a whole other issue, one that shouldn't dictate whether or not I believe you (and God) exist.

Peace and Love

 

Varuna, I'm not relying upon my website to prove that I exist... I'm saying that if you want to know that I exist, you can get my address off me, and come and visit me.. and there I shall be, in front of you, talking, drinking a cup of tea, maybe eating some cake or cookies, and we can chat about whatever.

I'm not saying that the website is proof... I'm saying that the address on the site can be used to come and visit me, and it's this visit that is my proof.

Campbell, I've not finished with you, but it's obvious you don't have a high enough intellect to understand what I'm sayng, so I'm working on dumbing it down for you..

 

My intent was to explore the nature of proof, especially as it relates to experience, knowledge, belief, faith, and so on. Instead, I got an invitation for a visit. It's funny how these things work out. Well, If I am ever in England again I will certainly visit you for tea and a chat about whatever.

We haven't proven anything but . . .

Peace and Love

 

I look forward to meeting you

 

and, your point? you just illustrated how flawed your belief system is. If there was a murderer, rapist, who suddenly, at the end of his life, prays to Jesus, and a person who did good deeds purely out of love, the rapist would go to heaven and the other would go to "hell"? What a completely FUCKED UP religion.
Why would you disregaurd all of his teachings and WORSHIP him? i dont get it, and i never will. it makes no sense. it is a cop out, a religion for the masses, for lazy weak minded people who dont want to bother people good people.

 

But, even if we accept, for the sake of argument, that all this is true it's still an invalid excuse for disregarding the message. If that weren't true why would "christ" have said what he said?

A step further I'd say even someone who accepts the immediate access to the holy spirit promised by "being saved", wouldn't it follow that that person would find his or herself just automatically living the message?

what I'm saying is; if the first 3 gospels are mostly message, and John is mostly mythos, doesn't the fact that most of todays christianity is based on John constituet a disregard for the message in favor of the mythos?

and if our behaviour is a non-issue what's the purpose of the synoptic gospels anyway?

It's interesting that the council of Niccene spent as much time as they did debating between canonising the gospel of John (mythos) and the gospel of Thomas (the sayings of Jesus) but agreed on the fact that they couldn't use both.

right there they were debating on whether to base what would become orthodox christianity on one concept or the other.

My personal opinion is that they chose mythos because it's easier to sell.

 

Jesus Christ made salvation easy. It's a gift from God. And believe me, just saying words doesen't necessarily give anyone a free pass into heaven. It is the condition of the heart that only God can see. Also, if you know the teachings of Christ, you would know that it was Jesus who said a man must be Born Again, to enter the Kingdom of God. This is His greatest teaching. Those who truly become born again nolonger count how many good deeds they did each day. They do good deeds automatically, because we know this is pleasing to our Lord. And have you noticed how many Christian groups who you would call FUCKED UP, and lazy are always the first one's to help out in emergancies. Look at how many Christian groups that have rushed to the aid of those in New Orleans. With out fail, it is alway those weak minded one's that are on the scene first to lend a helping hand. Being a Christian is not a religion where members put in their time to earn their salvation. Christians are people who have received God's free gift of salvation, and then do work freely to please the one they love. Their will be none in heaven who will be able to boast about how they earned their salvation. All those in heaven will know that it was Jesus Christ alone who saved us from sin. Jesus Christ was the blood sacrifice. All who receive Him as Lord will be saved from the wrath of God.

 

Consider The Bible as evidence exposing natural Primate-Motivations.

Fear is a natural Primate-Motivation for whipped, beaten, conquered and enslaved Primates like the Hebrews.

Sexual Inadequacy and Death are the neurotic preoccupations of those like the Hebrews who live in Fear.

Patriarchy and Eternal Life for The Chosen is the perfect Placebo to help fearful neurotics.

Religion is better than aspirin in relieving repressed preoccupations.

 

the following is addressed exclusively to dan dear, and is not meant to dis anyone else's faith.

i believe there is ample evidence that the earth exists. photographs from space and so on.

as for being "worthy" of "worship", just try getting by without it.

ha, ha, i win.

miss you too.

 

Yes, well I can see you have spent a lot of time studying the Bible. You have preconcevied ideas, but no knowledge of Biblical facts.

 

That still does not explain why the Bible prophecies are still being fulfilled.

 

Sorry but I don't see what one has to do with the other. It seems like a completely different topic to me.

Unless you're assuming that since I'm bagging on the practice of giving the mythos priority over the message that I consider the mythos worthless. That's not what I'm saying.

I think there's value in the mythos too, although I usually read it allogorically.

 

It gave me such a brust of joy to hear my school priest's homily today. we were talking about our donations to the gulf coast, and also our yearly mission trip to honduras, and he talked about the loving action aspect of Christianity, which was the true message, and it gave me hope. Hope and joy that there are still level headed, pure Christians in this world and im glad i attend a school with such people.

 

First you would have to tell me which message of Christ are you speaking about, and to whom He was speaking when giving the message.
And if the Bible was simply a Book that has been manipulated by man, and God was not in charge, then it would be understandable that the prophecies would fail, because it was man that wrote the book and not God. Yet, what we are finding is, that the prophecies are not failing, but accelerating.