God (or gods) do not exist

dan you havnt told me why my god is not worth or real

 

Actully, that's not my job... You're the person that believes in this god or gods or pixies or whatever, therefore it's your job to prove it to me.... it's not my job to prove it doesn't exist.

 

How about a God that authors a book, and in His book He makes all kinds of predictions, and then you discover all the predictions are coming true in detail. Would that be a God you might be interested in?

 

respectfully,

not if he requires/ed ridiculous primitive b.s. like this:

 

yeh i was asking if you would accept my proof, that im typing now

or do i have to prove im not a bot

but someone would have had to program me

 

are you saying you have proof, bill? gimme gimme!

 

Well if this God created the universe, maybe there was a real good reason He had certain ones do that. And maybe it is primitive thinking that would call that pratice B.S. And if this same God knows the future in detail, and created the earth you stand on, and designed the body we use, and the brain we think with, then who are you, to judge Him.

 

Who programed them?

 

the task was "try and convince me that your god (or aliens, or sofa) is real and worthy of worship"

i established that my god is my brain

now are you disputing that these comments are written by my brain through my nervous system? you cant be disputing its worthy of worship caus that would involve inferring that IM not worthy of worship which is just silly talk

 

the exact same argument though, could be given by a jew, a muslim, a hindu, a sikh, or any other number of religions. the exact same defence:
"who are you to judge God?"

we must judge God if we don't want to belong to a thousand different beliefs. did you judge allah, and shiva? probably. yet those followers could fairly say, as a creation you don't have the right to judge the creator.
well, some religions and philosophies are more elegant than others, and when it comes to the old testament, silly things like blood sacrifices as requested by God make me feel very strongly within that i'm looking at another ancient fabrication. surely the loving, powerful, all knowing creator of the Universe wouldn't stoop to requesting blood sacrifices from his wee little humans.

as per the new testament morals, they are indeed more elegant and understandable, but i could get the same from greek Platonism at the time.

peace

 

To be honest, StonerBill, a person's brain being that person's god is pretty much one of the very few concepts of god that I'll accept... After all, it is your brain that controls your actions and makes you who you are, and when something goes wrong, you can blame your brain for whatever the problem is.

However, moving onto the question of worship... seeing as your brain does not have any control over my actions, nor can I blame your brain when something in my life goes wrong, I do not accept that you're brain is worthy of my worship... I'm more than happy to worship my own brain, and I should conclude that you worship your own... but the idea of myself or anything else worshiping your brain is illfounded.

 

ok first off i'd say all religions must be wrong since all claim they are right &if all claim they are the truth yet contradict eachother they must be wrong since they all differ drasticaly

now in my beleif the universe itself has a built in sub moleccular inteligence that gives all matter form & function & purpose allowing matter to combine in ways that eventualy resulted in plannets & finaly life getting more & more complex till humans evolved out of the desings of this sub molecular inteligence
with our increased inteligence we looked at god which is the universe itself & every molecule in our bodies & everything with great awe & wonder & worship but with our limmeted understandings thousands of years ago we saught an explanation for how all this came to b, so we rationalized supreme beings being outside of ourselves even outside of the universe as the only true explanation even though different landsdescribed this mystical being differently we credited this being or beings for creatting all w see, yet all we see had this intellegence built into its very fabric (call it god if you need that term to understand)
so, to sum up, this god, for lack of a better term is not any being, it is the force that gives all things structure & allows an attom to bond with another atom in an organized way that allows for the creation & structuring of everything, so it is omnipotent in that it is everywhere in all things all powerful since it created everything in an organized manner..worthy of worship simply because we live in an amazingly complex & beitiful univers created by the intelegence built into the attoms that comprise the universe everlasting because matter cannot be created or destroyed so if you accept the universe (or nature) of having an inteligent design (and being a god therefore) you cannot deny the existance of the universe (well yes you can take the possition that nothing exists really except yur own thoughts, but then we are back to your thoughts being god & we'd have to prove your thoughts exist..which would be harfd since in that scenario..neither you, nor i exist to prove it or have it proven to)..blahh i hope someone hasa clue what i'm babbling about..kinda tired

 

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what conditions would i have to fulfill to win this fucking prize so i can leave this forum already

 

^bill, there are no conditions you can meet. Dan knows this, only started this thread cuz he was bored. Just wants to hear peoples' various ideas about God so he can shoot them down and feel superior. He doesn't realize that maybe a logical explanation for nonlogical things is not possible.

Well, as you said, he gave us a brain. Are we expected not to use the logical portions? Are we supposed to not look at the evidence around us and make a decision? For many of us, there are things about the Bible (or just God in general) that do not make sense. We cannot force ourselves to believe what we don't believe (you can't force yourself NOT to believe, right? it's the same for us, going the other way).

 

aye

That's not the case at all... sure, I will shoot them down if I think they are illogical or wrong, but it's not because I want to feel superior, it's just because I want to share my opinion.

And Bill... much like TBTM said, it would be very hard to convince me of god, but i'm happy for you to try your best lines on me.... the reward, there is none, 'cept the knowledge that you helped me find my way into the kingdom of god

 

my gods kingdom is infinitely large
yet non existant!

hows that for worship

cmon just tell me that ive won, i dont need a physical prise. you can give me one of those reward points, or even like a dedication page.

i just cant believe i opened up to you and you pulled a cheap one.

at least set requirements that can be reached but beaten

 

still noones debunked my theory about the universe itself being god cause you cant deny the existance of the universe

 

the primitive thinking is that bs practice
and your argument is pointless since your assumming god did create those things..& arent you forced to judge god simply by choosing 1 faith over another?
i just love how christians always falter in the face of logic or when confronted with the hiposracy built into theyre religion & resort to the old "who are you to judge the will of god" argument..or the old "yes its wrong to kill, rape,steal, whatever but the bible clearly shows us that its ok to do all these things when its done according to godswill"
blah blah blah

 

Sorry StonerBill, but you've not won... you've not even come close to it.... now if you wanted to dilude yourself and pretend that you won, if it makes you feel better - that's fine - it's the type of attitude that I would expect of most religous people (i.e. "it's not my fault that I didn't get the job, it must be god's way of saying that I'm not meant for that job" - rather than the fact that you're just not qualified for that job and that maybe you should do some more training to get experiance for the role, etc..)