GOD ? or Evolution?

SAINTS CROSS THE RED SEA TO THE KINGDOM BY HEAVEN'S FLYING SAUCERS--U.F.O.
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To the world at large, the sight of a flying saucer fills them with uncertainty, consternation, and fearfulness as to what the future holds for mankind. And many are afraid of them because of the reports they hear of people who have been burned or temporary blinded by them, and animals mutilated; also of bizarre abductions where experiments were conducted upon their captives. This caused many to think that all flying saucers are evil. The scientific mind could think they are strange be-ings from outer space, while the religious mind could think they are evil angels. And why not? After all, Satan and his angels travel in earth's atmosphere today in their flying saucers, just as he travelled through the starry space in his celestial chariot to heaven in Job's day:

"In the days of Job Satan still had access to heaven, for we are told that '...there was a day when the sons of God came {from other planets by celestial travel} to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came {from earth by a flying saucer} also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, From going to and fro in the earth {in his flying saucer} and from walking up and down in it.' Job 1:6, 7."--15 Tract, pg. 81:2 (bold emphasis, braces added).

As for the reports of some people being hurt by grotesque looking beings in flying saucers, and that they are the devil's evil angels, may be true. But this does not discount the fact that God's angels also travel in similar chariots, and that they have come to earth to slay the wicked in God's church (1SR36:0), as well as to help the saints finish the gospel. Obviously the general public would think that the unexplainable mysticism of the flying saucers is an omen of catastophic events soon to occur; while the faithful David-ians know what these events portend (the slaughter of Ezekiel 9 and the Loud Cry). Therefore, to the Davidian saints these mysterious flying saucer sightings can only be a sign post that indicates the nearness of their fulfillment!

Ever since the sealing angel (SRod) arrived in 1929 (2A34:0), the sightings of the flying saucers (UFO) increased. It was after Bro. Houteff moved to old Mt. Carmel Center near Waco, Texas in 1935 that he began to write about them; the last time was in the White House Recruiter in 1951 before he died in 1955. Fours years later his wife brought the "knockout blow" (WHR33:2) in 1959 by her false teachings, after which she dissolved new Mt. Carmel Center. But in 1961 the Davidians reorganized in Los Angeles, California and set up God's Headquarters in Riverside. Later, God directed them to move His Headquarters eastward to Salem, So. Carolina in 1970. And still the UFO sightings continued, in some places on a much larger scale, because the angels are still working to seal those "of" the 144,000 and those "with" them (1TG4:27:1). All of which proves that the angels are indeed "hurrying to and fro" from heaven to earth in flying saucers (UFO) preparing for that "important event"--"the fulfillment of Ezekiel 9" (1SR36)--the slaughter!

And the fact that God's Davidian Headquarters has moved "eastward" where a large company will be raised up in the east" (1T414:1), proves that the sealing is nearing completion; and that the angels in flying saucers will soon come to slay the wicked in God's church, and take those left alive ("of" the 144,000 and those "with" them) to the kingdom.

"For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with His chariots {angels in flying saucers_celestrial travel} like a whirlwind {traveling in the air}, to render His anger {slay the wicked in God's church) with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire."--Isaiah 66:15 (bold emphasis, braces added).

The SRod message has given abundant proof that this coming is not Christ's second advent, but His coming in judgment to the S.D.A. church by the slaughter of Ezek. 9.

"Those who are sealed from 1929 to the fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 (close of probation for the church), are living saints, 144,000 in number, who shall never die--translated without tasting death. The class which neglected their opportunity were left without the seal to perish under the ruin of Ezekiel 9 {slaughter}; Isaiah 63; and Isaiah 66: 15-17."--2 Shepherd's Rod, pg. 162:3 (bold emphasis, braces added).

Note in Isa. 66:15 that the Lord comes with His chariots like a "whirlwind, to render His anger." And what could these chariots be but angels in flying saucers? For that is what the Bible says they are!

"The chariots of God {which move as flying saucers} are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels {in these UFO chariots}: The Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place."--Psalms 68:17 (bold emphasis, braces added).

"The work of separation {slaughter of Ezek. 9} is given to the angels of God {who come to the earth in flying saucers--UFO}, and not committed into the hands of any man."--Testimonies To Ministers, pg. 47:2 (bold emphasis, braces added).

Therefore, when the angels in their "chariots" (flying saucers) come to slay the wicked in God's church, then those left (144,000), according to their type--Elijah (1SRtr22:4), will be taken first by the flying saucers to the king-dom to stand on the Mt. Zion with the Lamb in the Holy Land, and finally be translated to heaven in a flying saucer as was ancient Elijah (2 Ki. 2:11).

"There was yet a great work for Elijah to do; and when his work was done, he was not to perish {suffer death} in discouragement and solitude in the wilderness. Not for him the descent into the dust of the earth, but the as-cention in glory, with the convoy of celestial chariots {angels in their flying saucers}, to the throne on high."--Desire of Ages, pg. 301:1; see P.K. 228:1 (boldings, braces added).

"Moreover, he {Elisha} faithfully ministered to Elijah night and day, and kept an eye on him until the 'flying saucer' {chariot of angels--Ps. 68:17} alighted to pick him up, and until he disappeared from sight (2 Kings 2:9 15)."--2 Timely Greetings, No. 45, pg. 15:5 (bold emphasis, braces added).

"One may be incredulous, another startled, at the thought of Heaven's {angels} having flying saucers. But why? If God has given man knowledge to develop aerial mechanisms, no one can reasonably suppose that Heaven does not have incomparably superior ones. Let us not forget what covered a whole mountain in Elisha's day. (2 Kings 6:17). To be sure, Elisha called them chariots, but if they were not flying saucers of some type, how did they come to earth? It matters not what one calls them, it is what they are, and what they do, that counts....And if the flying saucers are indeed the Lord's, then what else are they come for but to deliver every one {144,000 and those 'with' them--2SC5:8:1} whose names is found written in the book (Dan. 12:1), and to slay those {wicked} who oppress them (Isa. 66:16)?"--White House Recruiter, pgs. 10, 11 (bolds, braces added).

Thus, the flying saucers of today are angelsin their char-iots who are "hurrying to and fro," preparing for the "fulfillment of Ezekiel 9" slaughterwhen God comes "with His chariots like a whirlwind to slaythe wicked in His church without the mark! This mark will protects the saints from the slaughtering angels. So what is this protective mark?

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whats this got to do with anything

 

Revelation...1:18:26

And the lord said.."let their be mind"
and 14 billion years latter..there was.

For what point letting there be light.
If theres no one to see it. And know it.
And seek it.

Occam

 

I don`t think that evolution disproves the Bible. God created Eden for Adam and Eve... the rest of the world is what Adam and Eve were sent into after they were expelled from paradise.

I don`t think we`ve officially made it back in yet. So maybe the world is something totally different?

 

Galileo created the Earth. not God,

 

Science and religion should serve different purposes

Science is just about imposing falsifiable theories on our perceptions - and then judging those in relation to our perceptions. It's just trying to get as much out of our perception as possible, in the most truth preserving way.

 

Nobody can prove or disprove God, if they could they would be famous.

 

I just love you..

 

how do we know that "god made" means evolution took place? Humans evolved, came into being, thus God created humans with their evolution. I mean, Christians cant really ebleive God literally made man from clay or dirt or w/e. So how do we know evolution isnt Gods method of creation?

 

i think that believing in god is like believing that we are ruled by one person and we have to follow his orders or be punished...it's kinda like a cult isn't it? And to believe in evolution is knowing that we actullay have a fucking purpose on the earth and that we humans are not completely worthless... This is just my opinion, though. I don't care if you don't agree...you can rag on me if you want...i really don't care

 

Citrus_Seas

What fool says we are worthless?

Who will stand and proclaim the purpose of humanity?
No-one here..and you all know it.


Occam

 

Actually, amino acids are only in proteins. Nucleic acids are in DNA. Each little letter in the genetic code is a nucleic acid, a sugar (deoxyribose) and a phosphate. Sometimes protein is used to pack the DNA into bundles, but it's not a part of it.

 

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occam you come out with a lot of rubbish.

the purpose of life is to live

 

at least hes a bit more specific

 

Purpose is individually defined and therefore cannot be defined by anyone but the individual.

 

For me going to catholic school for 12 years, learning the inner workings of the religion, I have discovered nothing but hypocricy in the christian faith, which is why I am now an atheist existentialist. I believe in evolution, because it has been proven scientifically. We have not proven the existence of God yet, and the Catholics believe that you're close-minded if you only believe in things that you see. But I think that they are wrong. It's all got to do with what can be proven that opens up a world of independent thought. So i think that evolution is the most sensible explanation. Just look at the stars, the tell the history of the universe, Billions of years of it, whereas some fundamentalist christians believe that the world is only 12000 years old and that dinosaur bones, and caveman drawings were God's was of screwing with us. I think that's incredibly stupid.

 

A few points to consider in framing this discussion:

1) Science cannot (and should not) be counted on to answer theological problems (e.g. whether or not God exists).

2) Theology cannot (and should not) be counted on to answer problems (e.g. how life got to be the way that it is once the universe got going) where science can provide better (defined below) answers.

3) The dilemma between God and the theory of evolution by natural selection is a false dilemma (this claim has been expressed previously in this thread and will likely be overlooked once again). That is, there is at least one more alternative (e.g. God created the universe AND evolution via natural selection is the process by which living organisms became what they are).

4) Just because some view has no scientific value (theology) does not necessarily mean that it has no value at all.

5) The theory of evolution via natural selection ('evolution' hereafter) WORKS as an explanation for why and how living organisms are the way that they are. Keep in mind what the scope of this theory is (not what zealots on BOTH sides have perverted it into). The theory of evolution is NOT a dividing line between theist and atheist or even scientist and theologian. Rather, the theory of evolution is a naturalistic explanation for why and how organisms are the way that they are. It is an explanation that can be tested for its accuracy, used to make predictions, and which is borne out by other natural discoveries (e.g. amino acids and bacteria vs. antibiotics). This theory is, because it is both naturalistic and testable, a better explanation than any theological one for why natural organisms are the way that they are (notice: natural organisms and naturalistic explanation). Theological-esque theories (e.g. creationism and intelligent design) lack the traits possessed by evolution. They are untestable (e.g. I don't know where God lives so I can't go to his house to see if anyone is home), cannot be used successfully to make predictions, and are not further validated by natural discoveries.

6) Though evolution is successful as a theory, keep in mind the scope of its success. It is not a knock-down argument against, say, intelligent design. Rather, evolution shifts the burden of proof (which evolution has, so far, met) back to the theological-esque proponent.

 

"god or evolution" ? how about "god and evolution" or "god is evolution" or "evoangdotidlun". ever heard the story about the three blind men trying to figure out what an elephant looks like.

 

GARRRGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO OFFENCE!... bUT.. anyone who bothers to argue about this is a sucker for brain washing and mind control... while you're all bababling about god veruss evoloution... you aren't free to discoer any other options.. there are other options to god, and, or evloution... personal realisation..... the possibility that two contrasting truths can exist simuentaneously??, ever thought of THAT????? hOW, TO ONE PRSON IT IS DAYTIME....AND TO ANOTHER PERONS IT IS DEFINATELY NIGHTTIME... OR PARTICALE PHSYICS....A PARTCILE IS WHAT MAKES MATTER....AND MATTER IS SOLID.. BUT ACTUALLY THE PARTICLE IS MADE OF NOTHING BUT SPACE....

THERE ARE TOO MNAY EXAMPLES OF CONTRADICTING TRUTHS THAT BOTH EXIST IN HARMONY... theres no... one or the other to god or evoloution.. and by fighting about it.. you're so stupid beucase iots a waste of time.. and what the people in control want you to fill your heads with.. beuccase actually.... it is possible, proven and scientific law..that two opposign truths can exist, equally real.

god or evoloution... PAH...