God does not exist

I answered your question to the best of my ability, I can't help it if you don't like the answer.

I didn't say I know everything you believe, a just said I knew what you believed about one thing.

Never that I know of, I said you believe whatever your spirit guide tells you and that is the difference between you and me, since I believe what the Bible says.

Since these questions of yours have little or nothing to do with the OP "God does not exist" perhaps you should pursue these questions another time.

 

what other interpretation could there be for:

other than this?:

secondly:

if the bible requires conditions to always be self explanatory, then it is not always explanatory.

 

since christians may accept the Word as elemental to existence ,
this associatively colors the feeling for all words with a seriousness .
thus the understanding from a holy book of words can be an experience of god ,
and then a positive experience proves god or god proves self as Word .

the action of understanding the holy word describes a form for
conciousness .

a formalized conciousness becomes self-interested magic when it
directs power . word manipulation is employed by worshipers of
the word who would do this .

for the jesus children the magical just happens innocently and
as a gift . on a good day conciousness may de-formalized without
much worry . the boundary of a philosophy can be whispery . god
is a protector .

 

And your answer, "with with study, prayer and application the Bible does become clearer from day to day," indicates that regardless what you have claimed about the bible speaking for itself, it does in fact require interpretation, i.e., study, prayer, and application. To interpret itself, is beyond the ability of any book and this is the reason for this line of questions, that you perhaps may demonstrate the fact yourself, to yourself.

 

If you are just going to keep repeating what you have said and insisting that you are right without even reading and trying to understand what is being said to you, you will just continue to prove I am correct.

Like I have already said, the simple fact is the Bible is always self explanatory. There are no conditions for it to be self explanatory.

What you fail to understand is that if you will not except those explanations, then no matter how self explanatory the Bible is it will not be self explanatory to you.

This is proved by you, in the fact that I have already several times explained this to you but you continue to not even try to understand the explanations and thus you feel that you are correct and that it has not been explained to you.

 

I did not use the word interpretation, that was added by you so you could try to make inane comments about things that have nothing to do with the OP.

The Bible is not just ANY BOOK, it is God's Word, "alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart", and once you realize that, you may actually come to know who has been misleading you. (Hebrews 4:12)

 

i never asked for an explanation of the bible. if it really was self explanatory then why are you explaining it?

but that's besides the point, you seem to be unable to talk about the supposed self explanatory nature of the bible without explaining the bible. you seem to be unwilling to "zoom out".

 

That tends to be the problem with Protestantism. A lot of talk about how the bible is self explanatory while every non denom Christian Church is telling you it means something different.

 

And I have not given you one.

I am not.

Other than saying that the Bible is self explanatory, I have not explained the Bible to you.

Zoom out? I am just answering your questions.

 

that's quite a bold statement. what is your definition of self explanatory?

 

Obviously gods word then is not a book. What book is able to discern thoughts?
What book is alive? Not even the book says god's word is the book. To believe in the power of an artifact is called idolatry. As I have told you before, gods word is the very breath of man, a living word.

 

The Bible.

The Bible.

All Scripture is inspired of God (2 Timothy 3:14-17; 2 Peter 1:20,21)

To worship anything other than God is idolatry. I don't worship the Bible but do appreciate the power of what God has given us. Why don't you? Why does your spirit guide turn you away from the Bible, the gift God has given us? I wonder why, I wonder why you let it.

Listening to your spirit guide again? Man is not God, man's breath is not God's Word. Not even close.

 

Something that can explain it self.

For example, let's take what Jesus said; "the Father and I are one", what does that mean? Do we just decide for ourselves what that means or is there a place we can turn to in the Bible that will help explain what that means so we don't have to just make it up as we go along?

 

Evidently a book became flesh and dwelt among us. Published by the Gideons, no less!

 

thedope:

lol So it matters to you.

I see you've spirited away the "sin that cannot be forgiven" lol To be fair to you, I know you were only explaining and forgiving how such a thing is even conceived.

Is it selfish not to create yourself? Are you not so grateful that you were created after all? :-D Be as graceful and as grateful as you like thedope! But to say the parts don't define the whole is a little constricting as to motion don't you think? How does the whole become the whole if the 'parts' are not as self-defining as the whole itself? I mention motion since the whole you would have that cannot be defined by its parts could not be infinite.

Yes I am happy to live. What now? lol I question that we could ever be happy to die.
We can be relieved to, content to, resigned to, but happy to? Just as we are never without our conception, we are only happy in the knowledge of happiness. I am over entertaining any ideas about death as a means to life. Call your gratitude to life god if you like. I hope it doesn't matter to you that others might not.

How can we belong to any who do not want us to belong? As I wrote recently, possession that is not love is not really possession. Is the 'demonic' something you prize to exist?

:-D Do you think that is what I was trying to do?! Let's forget our words for 'things', just temporarily, - what is it really that love has us bring into being? Ourselves and eachother, and nothing besides! So much for passing on! lol

 

About the bible thing, this thread's good for a laugh! ;D

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=437757&f=88

 

It looks like a serious ment thread to me?

 

Throughout all of this debate, I have yet to see any proof provided that would establish God's existence beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

And I have yet to see any that would establish God's lack of existence beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

You were expecting proof? I'm sorry, I am pretty sure you are aware too such proof is not available and that it is evident you can wait your whole lifetime for such proof. So why demand such a thing. Perhaps to enforce your opinion that it is pointless to believe otherwise? It doesn't stop people from having faith/believing in God. I thought this thread is good for discussing the possibilities but asking for proof and pointing out it is not given does not provide any conclusion (well, perhaps for you but not for most others I think).