God Bless the Corporations

kandahar you are a complete moron, jozak is not a socialist or corporation hater.
in fact he is quite the opposite.

I spit on you.

 

I piss on you!!!

 

Wha? Kandhar just made great points.

 

I shit on you!

 

My apologies to Jozak - after rereading the thread, I see that he is indeed on the correct side of this issue. I saw someone quoting him who was arguing for protectionism or socialism or some other stupid policy, and I must've reversed the names.

You spit on me? I tell the teacher and get you put in time-out.

 

I piss on your time out!

 

It would have been if he were not addressing me, since I clearly do not support a non-capitalistic/free trade economic agreement.

 

I shit on your piss!

 

WHo the hell did say on the beginning of this thread that if you wanted to profit in america you had to respect the environment?

Bush is opening Alaska to exploration, bye, bye Alaska, farewell...

 

I can't read all the 9 page of this thread as it would take my entire day at work and I would probably get in touble.

I hope I am not repeating what people have got to say but what I would like to add is that the people who started this thread are incredibly short sighted.

A) The rise of the corporations and capitalism has actually accompanied rising numbers of people around the world falling below the poverty line and the rich poor divide widen at a rate never seen before in the history of the planet. There is something failing Humanity there.

B) Global corporations are incredibly short sighted, so while over the last half a century they have helped to raise the living standard of large numbers of people, they are doing it at the expense of the future survival of the Human race. At the end of this period of unprecedented ecconomic growth they will leave us with nearly no resources to continue to support the Human Race and probably push us close to the edge of extinction. At the very least this technological and industrial civilisation will fall.

If you were offered one million pounds tomorrow, you would be extremly grateful and take the offer. But if you were told you could have a million pounds tomoorw with the catch of dying the next day, you would be a bit more sceptical about the source of this offer.

Global corporations are a curse in the disguise of a blessing, purely because they cannot act in Humanities long term interest, they can only act in the interests of short term profits.

If in 5 years time you still think the global corporations are so amazing, I would be very surprised. Remeber this, The Oil and Energy Companies are all Global Coporations. Do they have our best interests at heart? or those of their shareholders?

 

Come on now, at least be willing to look at the positive effects that corporations have had on our culture, namely convience and avaliability. I mean, I understand the negative effects, such as the destruction of the small/independent business, or at least the large competition. But, here's an example.


Who here is not thankful for Amazon.com? I mean, a place where you can buy books for relatively very cheap, if you buy used, at least. So, at least try to look at the positives, my friend.

 

But you can live without amazon if you have to. Its not essential to your exsistance.

 

Poverty rates have fallen across the world. That's why most activist groups highlight growing inequality - while everyone would like the poor to get less poor more quickly, it doesn't quite have the appeal of apocalyptic visions of the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer.


No nation has become rich by any means other than capitalism. It works.

 

Very true. But I do enjoy the indulgence.

 

When I was young, and computers and many forms of new technology were still being developed, they threw us the lie that we would have so much more leisure time...maybe we'd end up working a 4 day week? Wow! This was going to be so wonderful for all of us.

What actually happened was a greed that can never be appeased. We are the fallen in the war for riches beyond measure. We are the economic slaves who exist to make money for these corporations. We don't think of ourselves as slaves, we think we are getting what we want, what we need.
We are in fact being fed false information, we are losing personal and political power daily, even as we speak, and we are too fucked in the head to figure out what they are doing to us and to life on this planet.
Is this what you want your life to be? Can you possibly buy any more? Sure, why not...we must keep spending. Don't worry, very soon someone will find something else to sell us, something we will soon be convinced we could never live without. Sure some tecnology appears to have been beneficial, but really it just gives us more Weapons of Mass DistrAction.
You know what I couldn't live without as a kid growing up?
Freedom, safety, innocence, a family who loved me, fresh air, clean water, friends, a pair of jeans and a t shirt, food on the table and a bed to sleep in. Guess what? I was one of the lucky ones. Visit the Sudan today. There IS more to life. At least there should be. I'd rather have the trees in the Amazon than the ability to print out pages of information from the computer. But that's just me...
Here's something from Arundati Roy, who won the Sydney Peace Prize
Peace and the New Corporate Liberation:
http://www.safecom.org.au/2004/11/arundhati-roy-peace-new-corporate.htm

 

The Number of people below the poverty line has increased. The percentage below it has decreased very slighly, but as the population of the planet has increased so too has the number of people below the poverty line.

The increases in wealth that the already wealthy have seen has been unparalled in the last 20 years or so, far outweighing the measly gains most of the planet have had. Also this supposed increase in wealth for the poor doesn't take into account the degradation of their living environments.

If you are an african who can aford a few more loaves of bread per week than you could 20 years ago, but your house is in a dustbowl instead of subtropical plains then would you could yourself as better or worse off. WTO and WHO statics would say your are more wealthy and there for maybe just above the poverty line rather than just below it.




OK, so there are Technological benefits to globalisation, the Human race has more knowledge and understanding of the universe and how to manipulate things around us, how to make gadgets and how to comunicate information more effectively. All good.

But we also have far lower quality goods than in previous generations. I cannot get a pair of shoes that is not worn out within a year or so, just so I have to repeatedly buy new ones. I may have more disposible income cycling through my bank account now that I would have had if I lived a generation ago, but am I any better off for it. Not really. It all depends how you measure things.


The biggest problem with globalisation is the fact that it is so unsustainable.

What is the point of bigger Plasma TV's next year if the electric grid is down in 5 years time because we have used all the energy resources so unsparingly.

We are being stupid and wastefull with our energy. burn it all now for ecconomic growth, just so we can make money. who cares if it means billions have to die when we run out of resources and can't make oil based fertilizers or pesticides to keep our food production up.

 

If the economy had a penis, I'd definitely spit! It really shows when people are caught in the middle of it to say God Bless the Corporations. If only it (He) could find the right one! It (He) probably would! People need to see the damages to the planet corporations are responsible for, and for that they need to live poor for a while, I guess. First you have to realize how little $ a person can survive on, and from there the best possible way to spend the small amount of cash they DO have. You'll find a very interesting and enlightening phenomena, SPENDING VERY LITTLE CASH MAKES YOU PUT YOUR SPENDING POWER IN THE IMPORTANT THINGS, instead of the luxery items that are causing most of the damage. Exampole: One stalk of Organic Broccoli, 1/2 cup organic rice, 1/2 cup organic beans and an organic apple (with nutritional yeast), or, a hungryman t.v. dinner. Which is a better supplier for an economy, (and the planet), based on high volume? Check into it.

 

"It is easier to thread a needle with a camel's hair than for a rich man to enter heaven." -Jesus

 

It is so relatively PIG HEADED to center everything on how much money people can make. It makes me want to BARF. No concienable thought whatsoever regarding how long the resources will last to benefit these earnings? And really, aren't they really just searching for better and don't have the tools? Sometimes cheaper IS better, and when you go camping next time, leave the motor home at home.

 

WHY is the reality of work so bitter to some people, particularly ones you yourself term activists? Think about that. Okay, I already did for you. It's not getting up in the morning or being forced to, (for most of us), it's the inevitable wasted planet earth in too few 'years time that goes ungoverned and is, by no uncertain terms, uncontrollable. Once you're aware, how can you enjoy living and working in a social structure that pays social workers to make progress, but they don't do it. Pays a governor to provide for the well being of the public, but doesn't do it. Pays legislatures to make better laws, but they laugh in your face. And pays for a health dept. to make things safe, like our food, but it doesn't. Virtually, there's everything and nothing. Once you're aware, you'll want to SPEND LESS MONEY ANYWAYS! Hah, praise The Omnipresence (God) for small miracles! Ya'll should pay better attention to us activists! At least we've done our thinking.