Gay Cure MERGED

Why is this all about sex? can you get past the fact that homosexuality isn't about the sex. Its about who you love, and your ability to love. Sex is not the primary goal and anyone who tells you that it is doesn't have a clue what they are talking about. sex is sex. If i fucked a guy right now it wouldn't make me straight, or bi. I would still be a lesbian.
Being gay has everything to do with love and your ability to love someone of the same sex as opposed to someone of the opposite.

 

cured! wow, I think its already happened, I was with my doctor yesterday and he gave a strange purple liquid and made me drink it all down at once, when I was finished he looked into my eyes and my heart was all a-flutter, I wondered what i'd been thinking up until that moment, me, a woman, being attracted to women, peposterous. The doctor also told me that the cure for cancer was in that potion and that now i've drunk it, i'll never get it. Oh praise be, ITS A MIRACLE!!!







Give me a break. I don't think I could ever be "cured" ... men are too ugly

 

Very very well said!

 

Its not very well said at all.

It IS about sex. That IS the entire difference and its the only objectionable and/or debatable part of this.
HomoSEXUAL.
If we removed only the 'sex issue' then there is no more 'gays'.

Men and women always have and always will have long term, loving and dedicated relationships with the 'same gender' and we have already gone over this many times.
There are sisters that spend their lives together and there are legendary relationships between players and mentors or Soldiers who develop incredibly loyal and loving relationships with the other men.

Truth be told.. the very fact that men are now having less emotional bonded relationships with other men is even given as a contributing factor for homosexual sex.
Never mind that though.. it IS about sex and if you were not having (or lusting to have) sex with another women you are then no longer considered a homosexual, lesbian, a 'gay' and there is no more talk about it.

 

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I would like to believe that you know the difference between friendship and love. That you have a distinct feeling from how you relate to your wife and your sister. (In most states it is illegal to confuse the two.)

Gay is about love, something you don't seem to understand. I am sorry for that, because otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. One may, like you have said, have sex with a shoe. However, god dictates whether you're gay or not. Nobody knows why he does that. Likewise, you may have a loving heart or a hateful heart -but that is something you can change.

I repeat:

People like you seem to have realized the one precious lesson in life: there is only one valuable. We all know it isn't gold or money. Some people believe it is love. You and I know they are wrong. It is happiness.

You seem to think that if you can control other peoples happiness, that it will become your own. If so you are confusing power with possession. Power is control. Happiness comes from the heart. I wish you could find it in your heart to alow me my happiness.

You are prejudiced. You have judged the situation before looking at the facts or the truth. There is no reasoning with you, because you seem to either lack the skills or reject truth in favor of a gut reaction of disgust; which btw, you seem to relish. You are a sick man, tired beyond your years. Please seek help, you'll only find misery while living with hate and bigotry.


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This might be the heart of the matter... Is it Loving?
I would suggest it is very UNloving for you to condone and encourage that behavior in others and yourself.
Same for them towards you.
Unloving.

Chew no that for a while.

 

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I am truly sorry that you are unable to understand love to the point that you will condemn it for others. You are a sad, sad boy. It must be lonely in there?
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ok, erasmus, your question is 'would we cure it'.
well, something is only candidate to be cured if it is debilitating or fatal (i know that is a simplistic interpretation, but for my purpose, please understand the connotation i'm pointing out).
so shouldnt your question, more to the point, be 'does homosexuality need to be cured?'
of course the answer to that depends on you being 'anti-gay' or a non-prejudicial person. so which are you? like others have said in this thread, being gay may make life more difficult at times, but not because being gay is inherantly debilitating, but because many members of society are homophobic in some shape or form and deliberately make life difficult for the gay community. in my opinion these people making life difficult for others are the problem, not the targets of their hate. others do not because they see no reason to discriminate against someone with a different sexual preferance than their own (because frankly, what business is it of theirs? and other than religious arguments -dont get me started- how can discrimination be justified, other than be its own logic....circular, does not stand up)

besides, of course i've met parents who seem embarrassed or in some way bothered by the fact that their children are gay, but mainly because the fathers feel their socially created masculinity is threatened by the fact that their son is gay or mothers socially created femininity is challenged by the fact that their daughter is gay.... or some other residue of their generation's mentality

anyway, i feel that you ignore the fact that your question immediately implies another: 'why would you, erasmus, imagine that some people might want to illiminate homosexuals, other than those motivated by simple prejudice?'

are you suggesting that we would somehow be better off without any gay people on earth? if so, better off in what way?
are you suggesting that gay people would be better off straight, for any reason other than to avoid the abuse of prejudiced members of society?

 

Dont be sad... I was condemning unloving and unhealthy relationships. At least that is what Im suggesting is the case.

Lets put this into a hypothetical scenario: You and some other dude want to have gay sex with each other.
You can even imagine that you are truly best friends.
Now let me ask you if you think this next step is Loving?
- Instead of getting it on, you stop and explain that although oral or anal sex might be gratifying and although it will evoke natural 'bonding' emotions (ie the feeling of being 'in love') ........instead....... you think it would be better on your hearts and minds if instead of sex, you bonded in standard male-male ways of friendship.

Let me suggest that would be an act of real love for that other dude.. and for yourself too.
Even if he did not agree - you still did a solid for him in this round.

What do you think of that as the real act of love?
Serious question.

 

Are you trying to say that a gay or bi person doesn't know the difference between love and lust? Or that a gay/bi person is incapable of being in love with their partner? Either way, you're WRONG!!!

 

GLBT relationships are loving and healthy. The Medical community will not support your homophobia. You have yet to provide documentation for your pov because the only folks who agree with you are Nazis and wing-nut christians.

If you're truly interested in learning why people are gay or bi-sexual, you should check out my previous post with links to reputable studies and research. Also, another member, LogsOnSticks, found a brilliant paper written by a gay youth on the subject, the link is at this post. After you read these reports and studies, I would be interested to know what you learned.

Erasamus70, you know nothing of true love. The Rainbow Family is about love, something you don't seem to understand. This is not the time and place to teach you about love, but I wish I could. Your heart is black and filled with hate, it's hard to hear you speak of love or even imagine that you know how to love.

You are prejudiced. You have judged the situation before looking at the facts or the truth. There is no reasoning with you, because you seem to either lack the skills or reject truth in favor of a gut reaction of disgust; which btw, you seem to relish. You are a sick man, tired beyond your years. Please seek help, you'll only find misery while living with hate and bigotry.
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Well if you say so...

..but seriously, Im going to suggest why males practicing homosexuality (which is meaning sex) will believe there is 'romance' or they are 'in love' and its actually very simple.
Because the physiology and just simply the mind of a human is most definately born and raised to fall in love and bond with a mate.

Here people want to throw about research and there is almost nothing more obvious than this but its well documented anyways (see: The Science of Love and others).
The very idea is that there is a wealth of skills and abilities in store for us to help us bond to a mate.
No joking about this - its absolutey essential to the very survival and continuation of mankind itself.
We all owe our very existence to these psychological and emotional, physiological attributes, causes and consequences.

One of the most obvious and basic ones is to begin to 'fall in love' during and after sexual relations.
We can 'desensitise' to that if we try but you only need to look at young guys who are totally pussywhipped to see the power of this.
Its actually a 'good thing' because God through Nature (or believe its nature if you want.. same results here).. Nature wants us to bond.
Its essential to the offspring (the result of sexual intercourse) that the mates develop strong bonds and become depend on each other.

OK.. I think we all actually agree on that so far.

Let me suggest that what happens with our hypothetical gay or lesbian 'couple' is really the same thing.
Remember.. physiology and emotions are 'blind'.
We showed this in the basic example of someone watching a thriller movie and actually have an accelerated heart beat.. a dump of adrenalin and even physically jumping off their seat - and thats looking at coloured lights on a tube screen and we even know its actors!!!

I suggest this is exactly what happens after either two dudes or two women have sex, reach orgasm and continue on in a physical 'faux-mating' relationship.
The body and mind are actually doing exactly what they 'think they should' in order to make all things work the way nature intended.
Good.
Except one problem - something is well... not quite right here.
It sure 'feels like a vagina' kinda sorta.. and the 'sensations' are there but there is no 'pheramone' for a male (or female depending on the example) and ... there doesnt seem to be any children coming...
The poor physiology is trying to do everything it should do.. the emotions are then trying to follow just as they should .. but.. hmmm?

Of course we are intellectual and imaginative creatures too so we have all kinds of ways to 'work around' anything we do.
Put a condition here.. act feminine or butch against the other so it 'fits more' and or take drugs or just plain and simply 'force through it no matter what'.

What Im asking is this:
- Is that Healthy?
- Is that loving to subject yourself or someone else to participate in?

Comments?

 

k, i repeat my questions erasmus:

because, seriously here, are you trying to argue that homosexuality is un-natural? is that the point of this thread? you should have said so in the first place.

 

by the way erasmus, did you know that chimpanzee and other primates engage in homosexual behaviour?


if you're basing your argument on the fact that humans are able to be 'imaginative' and force things upon themselves, how would you go on the explain what other primates do?

 

You wont answer or speak to my questions so I dont know why you feel you can skip over them or draw uncalled for conclusions and demand they be dealt with first.

btw.. Chimpanzees will actually bang their heads into walls and begin to go insane in captivity.
Many animals can be seen 'play fighting' and 'play humping' and I think that is pretty much self-explanatory.

Has nothing to do with what I posted and you dont have a 'one question begs another' situation here anyway.

But thanks for trying to derail the thread anyways...

 

Do you hate women too? I don' think I have heard anyone say pussywhipped in 20 years. I thought it was we old men who were supposed to live in the past.

 

I meant to add.. you can look at young women who are helplessly in love with the first boyfriend they slept with.
The poems, the undying loyalty and who can forget the girl in highschool with the abusive or loser boyfriend whom she lost her virginity to but stays with because, despite it all she wont dump him because.... "I love him".

btw.. I dont hate anyone.. except maybe people who are deliberately deceiving people.
That not you though.. you are a willing victim of those sorts as near as I can tell.

 

i'm not trying to derail the thread erasmus, i'm trying to figure out what your point is.... because this thread has gone on for 12 pages now and you seem to be beating around the bush, so i thought i would ask you a more direct question.

i'm not making conclusions, i am asking questions, i would even say that the two things are polar opposites, since my questions arent rhetorical

 

yes... i have to ask also, what is the point you are trying to prove erasmus?

 

Since you first posted this thread, I never thought I'd end up feeling sorry for you erasmus. But now I do. If you truly believe that love is nothing more than a byproduct of the biological urge to reproduce, and that one can "desensatize" oneself to it, you are officially one of the saddest people I've ever met. I still can't condone the prejudice and illogic you've put forth in this thread, but I do feel sorry for you. I'd think it would be a lonely life to live believing that.