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I have met so many gay men who are very good looking, smart, personable, kind, and successful that I would support the choice of their staying gay. Too many more stiff heterosexual dating competitors vying for the hottest ladies' love is what I see if they didn't. It is also my view that gay folk are only different than straights in that they face a more hostile world, and have a higher chance of being harmed than straights. If that battle against hate became too much for a gay person, and they chose to change, I would support their decision, but I would feel that it was tragic that hate caused it. 'And it harm none, do what thou wilt.' 'Live and let live.' Those are my rules for dealing with others, and so I support gay rights totally.

 

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I should add to my previous lengthy post, Genetic Cleansing of Gay Gene , and finish my version of the hypothetical situation as outlined by hippypaul.

I left off at 3, which is actually an elaboration of 2 above.

4.* Since the detection before birth of a proclivity for gayness would not be certain, it is unlikely that most people would abort a fetus just because it had a 'chance' of developing gay tendencies. And even more unlikely, if it also meant that the child may also develop other special gifts, like a proclivity for math. Also, as gayness may not be entirely inherited, and seems to be variant (of normal genetic mechanisms), it would be useless to try to remove it by selection, as in aborting all those fetuses, because it would still continue to occur in other seemingly unaffected gene pools. To wipe out homosexuality that way, you would have to delete the entire human race.

5. However, bigotry is a still a compelling force, and bigots are crazy bastards and there is no telling what they will do with any piece of information. I mean, that's why I can't stop relating this to the Nazi's, lest we forget how innocently that whole thing started before it swept over a whole nation.

*I keep forgetting this is suppose to be hypothetical bullshit, like if your nose were long enough would you fuck yourself. Okay, If it could be shown that gayness is caused by a simple genetic variance like eye color, (or the interference of the FSM) then, yeah, I suppose lots of parents would abort those fetuses.

p.s. If you don't think Nazi cleansing could happen again or in the good old USA, please study the atrocities in Armenia, Rwanda & Buruni, Yugoslavia, Macedonia, or East Timor. Never forget the genocide or it's humble origins. Sadly, the threat of that kind of evil is always pressing at the fabric of civilization, as Erasmus70 so aptly demonstrates.

See: Genocide Documentation Centre.

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Fantastic.
Captain Term Paper is thinking he can scholastice me into looking like a genocide monger.
Wonderful.

In the mean time, I enjoyed the parts of your posts which were non-stupid and it looks like there has been a purpose served in asking the hypothetical question.
Im not involved in homosexual sex so I dont always have the wherewithall to sit around and think through some of the propaganda pseudo-science being pumped up like 'The Gay Gene' or people in the last 10-15 years really pushing hard for this 'Born Gay' belief which is seemingly the now 'official' opinion to be held.

I do recall the whole 'Nazi Like' Pseudo Science rumours that a 'Gay Gene' or a almost Holy Grail Like obsession to 'prove for once and for all we are born this way' was superhuge in around 1990ish.
Then after a few years and many 'New Studies show that Homosexuality is not a choice but a ..." Then Someone in the GaySpeak Orgs realised that IF we found out who was 'born gay' before they were even born - bam - you could see mass abortions all over the place.

Wierdly, what started out as a Golden Fleece to be saught by Gaydom is now being turned around (as usual) and used as some propaganda AGAINST the very same people who were debunking it in the FIRST PLACE.

Anyways.. I suppose you will one day get your wish to kill off as many Christians as you can.
If anyone thinks people like you dont do such things.... let me remind you of Rwanda, Yugoslavia, East Timor etc etc.

Lets face it - if YOU thought you could abort 'Christian' fetus' you would support that wouldnt you?
After all they spread 'Hatred' and Hatred is 'Bad' Right?
So (to you) Killing Baby CHristians is 'Good' Right?

Yeah.. You know Im right.

 

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And he likes to make stuff up, too!

No, no, no dear, I would spank them and put them to bed. Now, bend over and take it like a man.


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Oh, and another thing, enough of this nonsense!

Please

don't feed the

TROLL!


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I just realised how awesome I really am after reading your second to last post.

Im almost sorry you have given up already.

 

Hipunk I fear that you are right I cannot seem to get Erasmus70 to define the terms of his hypothetical situation. Which I was trying to extract and put in one format so it could be discussed. For the record, my non-hypothetical opinion is that being Gay is a complex trait that involves multiple markers. However, I believe that some people are born Gay and others are not. I would not support any sort of genetic selection for Hetro people any more than I would support a selection for light-skinned people. I think that if you get into the area of eugenics that you are very close to the racial cleansing that has been done by various unpleasant people in the past.

 

I fail to see how sexual behavior gets to stand along side physical appearance.
This is because they are what we call 'different'.
Maybe you would like ask more cheeky questions about my position on this HippyPaul?
Try coming up with replies 'on your own' on this without asking for more retarded clarifications you dont really need anyways.
Thnx

 

You seem to be:

Unable to define the terms of your position

Unable to carry on discourse with out personal attacks

I am also glad to find that you consider me impertinently bold, impudent, and saucy

Always did think of myself as a saucy sort of a fellow. (Grin).



Sexual behavior gets to stand besides physical appearance because they are inbreed traits of human beings by the terms of my argument. I think I gather that you believe (or is it just hypothetical) that sexual behavior is just a habit like smoking cigarettes.

 

Novel use of the word awesome, but if you mean stunningly incomprehensible, and tremendously insulting, shockingly un-Christian, and profoundly homophobic... then I see your point.
I have not yet met a gay man as 'awesome' as you.
Kudos.

 

Being Awesome is great and all but its not a requirement to be able to discern the difference between physical appearance and physical behavior.
I realise that Nazi's believed that ones physical 'colour' and facial features was not so different than a persons behavior.
Im surprised to see so many people here agreeing with Nazis on this.
(not shocked though).

How insulting though.. to tell some guy he is having homosexual relations with the other guy because he 'has to' and his body is simply making him do it.
Like they are some kind of animals or even some sort of 'robots' who cant simply be said to be making a choice.
Just like I would when I go to smoke a cigarette.
At least when im smoking.. I can be said to be my own man, making my own choice and so be it.
They gay guy is said (by you people) to be behaving due to some physical condition.

Gimme a break!

You dont even believe that!

 

Let’s try to make this very simple. The act of having intercourse with a male or a female is a choice. Just as the act of smoking a cigarette is a choice.
The sexual attraction to males or females is an inherent trait. You do not get to choose if you are excited by the thought of males or females. You can measure the brain activity of people while they are looking at pictures of males and females and see the difference.
In addition, I suspect and research supports the idea that when you are having your smoke that you are acing out a predisposition to additive behavior that you inherited. I am truly sorry that you do not have as much free will as you thought you did. You, like the rest of us, are a complex mix of nature and nurture.

 

there are psychological factors which lead to the attraction to homosexual sex.
As we all know the human mind (which definately affects physiology) is a complex little wonder and can be attracted to things which are horrifying, indecent and violate its owners own values and ethics.
Often this is brought on by anxiety and depression and the act of something so bold, shocking or even horrifying can be used to distract the mind from the constant ongoing worry cycle.
In a real sense this helps relieve the unbearable stress and anxiety.
In that sense the act becomes extremely 'addictive' or to say it becomes a coping mechanism.

The Cigarettes comparison is probably not exactly parallel but thats because nicotene does eventually affect the body that the smoker can really be fulfilling a 'real' physical craving.
The act of homosexual sex is probably more emotional and psychological.. although you could make a good argument that we do need orgasms to satisfy our bodies.
So in that sense they are not that much different.

 

So do I hear you saying that being Gay is some sot of posttraumatic stress syndrome? In which people are attracted to horrifying, indecent things, which violate true values and ethics.
And that being Gay somehow relieves this unbearable stress and anxiety becoming first a coping mechanism and then an addiction.
You seem to be getting closer and closer to saying that Gay folks are evil and are going to hell.
Why don't you just come right out and say it - you know you will feel better. You hate Gay people for some reason and wish them ill. You are just cloaking this with a lot of psychobabble. "the human mind (which definately affects physiology) is a complex little wonder". What does that mean - are you saying that being gay is

1. A mental illness
2. A deviant behavior
3. A bad habit
4. A poor life choice
5. An alternative
6. A separate sex
7. A biological difference
8. Another category that you would like to define yourself

Which will you have?

 

Your pretty close there.
Alcohol and Drug use and abuse would definately be a most common coping mechanism.
Homosexual sex might be a lot less common but maybe more common than 'self mutilation'.
Mind you, the amount of teen girls cutting themselves seems like its becoming more common than anything.

But yeah.. you have the right idea anyways.
For some people.

I realise you want to be stupid and 'trick' me into 'looking like' I said ALL GAYS had this situation.
Then you can provide an exception and then Im totally dismissed and now Gay is Ok.
Idiot.

This describes a percentage of people when asked 'Why are you gay' (see topic) and I think you know that anyways.

Nope.
Nothing I have said gives you that impression.
You 'want' that to be true because again, it would be easy to then dismiss the entire case.[in your mind].

I dont buy into 'psychobabble' either. You used terms like Post Traumatic Stress Disorder but I think our culture is so used to using these clinical terms that we use them anyways.
You can just use the good old common sense words like 'Worry' and 'Lust' and 'Pain' or whatever you like.
Most of these things did not need to be 'discovered and classified' because we already knew what they were before a 'Doctor' made a Latin name and published a book about it.

If you dont think that the mind (brain) affects the physical body then all you need to do is show a teenage boy a picture of a naked woman.
The astonishing physical changes will put away any doubt.
Simply thinking about a sad song can make some peoples eyes water.

Do I think 'being gay' is:

Can I pick all of the above?
I think you can find a bit of one and more of another in anyone cant you?

Absolutely not.
There is zero reason to believe there is a type of human that was 'born different' or has a different body which makes them some sort of 'third gender' that is called 'A' Homosexual.

Sure, If you ask me the most common reason now is the enjoyment for orgasms.
I thought the best explanation Ive heard came from a guy recently interviewed on the News (identity hidden).
He said "Look. I have a very high sex drive. I like sex and I have a fulltime job which gives me little time... so I go to the park on my way home from work and I get blowjobs"
He went on to explain how he was very nervous the first time but that like anything else - you just get over your fears and eventually its nothing new.

That to me is the answer that best sums up why the majority of people are into it nowadays.
Of course this guy put it in very basic, straightforward terms.

 

I would rather that they found a cure for cancer....at least that would be useful....

 

Im really happy being a lesbian.
I wouldnt change it for all the money in the world.
If this "gay gene" is real, I would be completely opposed to reversing it.
Its not like its some life-threatening disease.
omigod, my kid is gay....
jesus.
I should hide in shame now.
Whoever thinks like this shouldn't have children.

 

"If you dont think that the mind (brain) affects the physical body then all you need to do is show a teenage boy a picture of a naked woman.
The astonishing physical changes will put away any doubt."

However, in a percentage of teenage boys the picture of a naked woman is a matter of total indifference. They respond to a picture of a naked man. How do you explain this? By using PET scans, you can see the changes within the brain even before puberty. Do you think people have chosen their sexual orientation that young in life?

 

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All of your arguments are true of straight as well as gay. Even true of gay folks who feel compelled to pretend they are straight.

Drug abuse is a common for all sorts of reasons, and used to cope with depression and anxiety and is often used as an "excuse" for all kinds of behavior. However, it won't turn you gay.

Irrelevant, and you know, it seems like the amount of bigoted asses are becoming more common than anything, but I know that the only reason it seems like that is because one bigot goes along way in stinking up a room.

smart, you have learned your lesson. If you are going to make sweeping generalizations, you have to remember you are not writing on the KKK board. Because we all know that generalizations = bigotry. As much as you like to deny you're a bigot and a homophobe, you have a funny way of trying to hide it.

I am amused and flattered, again you are referencing one of my other posts, I didn't realize you were reading everything I wrote.

You want it both ways. On one hand you wish to damn the entire psychology community and scientists in general, yet you continue to refer to certain facts and out dated studies. Which is it? I mean, I know it's difficult for you to understand obscure words, so is that why you prefer to make up your own science?

Like I said, straight folks too. And you chose a very middle of the road answer, because you don't even "think" gay is anything, you "feel" it; and when you feel it if feels disgusting. You may never admit that, but that is a handicap that will keep you an emotional child until you get over it.

Regardless, being gay is an orientation, not those other things.

There are plenty of data to show just that. The vast majority of psychiatric associations agree that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth.

See: Professional Associations' statements about Homosexuality from religious tolerance org. Dissenting opinions are held by certain Religious Professionals, but they are more concerned with dogma than the well being of their clients.

American Psychological Association
Based in Washington, DC, the American Psychological Association (APA) is a scientific and professional organization that represents psychology in the United States. With 150,000 members, APA is the largest association of psychologists worldwide.

You are describing a sexual liaison, not a sexual orientation. Believe me, there are more straight couples getting blow jobs in parked cars than boys doing it in the bushes.

That sums it up. You are paranoid and homophobic. This disgust you carry with you is a handicap you will never be at peace until you find a way to resolve your conflicts. I wish you would get professional help for your situation. I worry for you.


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Can I ask you if you were sexually molested (indoctrinated) by an older and/or influential male, during your youth?

I understand if you choose not to answer but Id appreciate it?