conspiracy much? why would a swat team waste their time with me, they don't even know im alive. (hypothetically) theoretically you can, but there are consequences for all actions. i mean, alcohol is legal, but if you go out and tell a cop you are drunk they will put you in the drunk tank.
Me and my friends tripped a day or 2 ago. We talked about "insane" people. You can be my attorney Deviate to get the "insane" people out of the loony bin. By "insane" I mean they were put there cause they know too much and are a threat to the gov. I want to go to a crazy house and talk to a few people to see if I'm right. (It's not that far off an idea, tho i'm sure many already feel this way)
yeah i have a place dedicated to tripping and getting stoned near me to. its called st. petes village. the only time there is a cop with in miles of that place is on 420, other than that the place is fair game for what ever.
I'm all for taking back our rights, I was just making the point that it isn't going to be easy. Just getting them to listen and even consider it for a second is gonna take generations.
some are free many are not. try www.ic.org they have thousands. but since they communicate via the internet they obviously are not off the grid. its still a good place to start though.
Dude, youre just trying to argue. We both have points. But my rant is validated, you just need to get high again and realize that.
im not arguing im just saying that ya cant have your cake and eat it too. i agree at ALL drugs should be legal... and they are if you dont believe in the government and drop out.
I would have to much empathy for my fellow human beings to watch them aimlessly destroy their life with meth or crack or whatever... ALL drugs should not be legal. And yes, it is a choice whether or not you want to use them, but we know enough about some of these things (crack, meth, heroin etc) to know that they are NOT good things. They do absolutely nothing for people but waste them away, eat up their soul, and in the long-run, kill them. Drugs that can be used (relatively safely, with little-no addiction potential) to explore and unlock the mind, yes of course that shouldn't be a crime. I think we would see many amazing things emerge from our society if many people began taking psychedelics and smoking pot. I think the focus would shift from attention to the masses, to attention to individualism and self-worth, I think creativity would flourish, people could be healed, gain insight, become more compassionate, come together and finally abolish race and class barriers that are plagues in themselves etc etc. A government should be there to guide and protect us.. to an extent. When some addict runs up and shoots you in the stomach and robs you to go buy some more meth (legally), I dare say you would change your tune. All I would ask is for the government to accept the fact that some of these drugs people are taking are virtually harmless, and can have tremendous benefit on the individual. The government should let people tinker with their minds, so long as they are doing so safely, responsibly, and respectfuly of that privelage. I just think the bottom line is (and I could be wrong, who knows?): an anarchy-esque society where people smoke crack, shoot up heroin, and rail meth at will, with no government interference, just would NOT work. It seems all nice and peacefully and yeah, it seems like we all would be living in harmony... until the human race becomes a bunch of reckless, irresponsible, dangerous, filthy addicts with mush for brains. Come on guys... what kind of government is that? If you don't care about your fellow human beings on this planet, I suppose there is no reasoning with you. Me? I would like to see my brothers and sisters, near and far, become great things. I would like to see them achieve whatever they may so please, and become talented, unique, compassionate individuals. I don't care to see another plague hit them in the form of hard drugs. Not on my planet, thank you.
so you would rather see your fellow human being "healthy" in jail, than using drugs in freedom? jail does not make perple become "great things" it destroys a lot of people just as bad as any "hard" drug can. murder and robbery would obviously still be illegal.
Umm, yes. Tough choice. However, in jail, the individual is isolated, and the rest of us are kept safe. Just last week, some guy high on crystal meth killed his wife and young daughter with a shotgun at point-blank range... And you're saying this stuff needs to be legalized? If they are in jail, well, tough break I guess. Dont do the crime if you can't do the time. Addiction to hard drugs and crime have a VERY direct correlation. No shit murder would be illegal, but that doesn't stop anyone. We legalize the shit, and suddenly we have a surplus of nasty drugs and an army of new-found addicts running around... and guess what? Crime rates go up! Its very easy to say you think everything should be legal. The first time something happens to you, or your loved ones or friends, your tune would change. What about all the kids who are never gonna even have a chance, because their mother used up until the very day they were born? What on earth makes you stand up for such rotten things? Nope it doesn't make perple become good things. True, and yes I totally agree the prison system must be reformed. The focus needs to shift to rehabilitation. If we could successfully do that, and the numbers could show that the majority of people going in come out rehabilitated, yes I do think drug offenders should be jailed. Maybe not for the first offense (they would recieve some kind mandatory rehab program for that), but repeat offenders shouldn't be loose on the streets. Also, I wouldn't say jail destroys everyone. A friend of the family did 9 years in Attica (pretty rough prison) for some kind of fraud, and he went in a violent cocaine addict, and he came out clean and sober, and I dare-say almost a new man. He has a wife and young daughter on the way now, a decent job, and a small house. So yeah, forgive me for saying that jail was a good thing for him. Hence the term 'scared straight' I suppose. But like I said, the bottom line is prison system needs to be reformed. You let these people on the streets, free to use whenever they want, and they start destroying more peoples lives. Innocent people. So, again, tough shit if they gotta be in lock up. There are very good people out there that do not deserve to have addicts running around fucking up everyone elses life. I'm not gonna feel sorry for someone who deliberately made a choice to pick up that pipe or that syringe, knowing damn well they could fuck up their life, and did it anyway, then kept doing it.
this same debate is pretty much going on in vactom's thread in here. hard drug abuse might be bad, but we have no right to control what people choose to put into their bodies.
i know the law says no but i think fuck you. If i want to get stoned and feed the ducks, then i do it openly. So long as i dont get nicked im sound. ive started to make my joints a little less coned though when im out. Just its not as obvious that its me thats chonging.
I agree. But the government does have a right to keep its citizens safe. Legalizing hard drugs puts them in harms way on many levels.
yes hard drugs may have a link to crime, but so does marijuana. people get killed every day over marijuana. the whole hard drug vs marijuana thing is hypocritical.
True, but thats a little different. People who die over marijuana die because they are usually involved in the drug trade, selling copious amounts and making massive profit. Thats the only incentive one would have to kill someone over some mary-jane. People use hard drugs and tend to commit more violent crimes. And that is just users, people who aren't even involved in the drug trade. We know marijuana actually makes people less violent while they are stoned. So yes, there is a difference. But you are right that people die over mary-jane pretty often. Legalize the herb, and it eliminates the need for criminal sale, which tend to involve violent gangs and un-trustworthy people selling the shit. If mary-jane were to be legalized, crime would go down, hopefully making it almost non-existent but I know that is a bit unrealistic. Legalize hard shit, people now have this new battle to fight; addiction... and crime goes up.
you said earlier that people kill others to get money to buy more hard drugs same situation anyways if we did legalize hard drugs it would be wise to set some sort of prescription so that if that person overused the drug then we could stop it its not like were saying heres all the cocaine and heroin you want, go do what you please
Fuck Ive been partying so much nonstop I cant respond to this intelligently right now. Next week should be straight
