FUCK THE POLICE: Killed someone in a raid for nothing

May have... probably not.

I have a lot of doubts ever since I saw an article about some model who got arrested for having $500,000 of "cocaine" or something like that, that turned out to be fucking FAKE SNOW.... Like really? Are they honestly that stupid?

And thats fucked up... guess the fastest way to gain property is by killing the person...

 

you people have never been raided...not saying the cops are right but they keep yelling ''get on the ground'' till every room is clear so that they dont get shot or killed...that said...i think it would have been better to use a tazer on the dude and i will never move to utah...btw,isnt that the state that is still in the dark ages about polygamy?...here is a list of the other shootings that they got away with down there

Officer-involved shootings

Following is a list of incidents in which police in Weber and Davis counties shot suspects over the last 19 years. In all cases where the suspect died, use of deadly force was ruled justified following criminal investigation. Nonfatal police shootings are not subject to criminal investigation, although they are subject to internal review. The case of Cody Allen White is still being investigated.
* Jan. 4, 2011: Cody Allen White, 25, was shot and killed by police after allegedly threatening them with a gun following a chase involving a stolen vehicle.
* Nov. 5, 2010: Paulo Berumen, 34, was killed by Clinton officers responding to a domestic violence call to find Berumen brandishing a knife. Clinton detectives Bryan Haywood and Shawn Stoker fired the fatal shots. The incident was recorded on a Taser camera.
* Sept. 16, 2010: Todd Blair, 45, was shot and killed by Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force Sgt. Troy Burnett during a drug raid at his Roy home. He was brandishing a golf club when shot, the incident recorded on officers' helmet cameras.
* July 9, 2010: Possibly suicidal William Oakden, 30, was fatally shot by officers at his Bountiful home after he fired a gun that was later found to be an airsoft toy pistol. Woods Cross Officer Adam Osoro and West Bountiful Officer Trent Wass were responding to a report of Oakden covered in blood and carrying a knife.
* April 10, 2009: Damon Lee Weems, 30, was shot fatally by Roy police after firing at officers through a bedroom door in his apartment. He then came out brandishing his shotgun. Officers, names not available, were responding to a call from Weems' mother that he was suicidal and drinking heavily.
* Feb. 26, 2009: Jeffrey Jay Cramer, 36, Layton, was shot and killed by Layton officers, Sgt. Jason Hinojosa and Officer Anthony Yuen after firing a shotgun in their direction. Cramer was suicidally distraught about losing his job.
* Feb. 27, 2009: John Michael Taylor, 47, was shot and killed by Weber County sheriff's deputies, names not available, after barricading himself in a barn behind his Taylor home. Taylor provoked the officers' fire, even goading them to shoot.
* June 23, 2006: Howard Bradly Nelson, 40, was shot and injured by officers, names unavailable, at a downtown Ogden motel after a short car chase.
* May 27, 2006: William Glen "Billy" Maw, 35, was shot and killed after he pulled a gun on Ogden officers Troy Burnett and Aaron Haws during a traffic stop. Maw was well-known to police as a white supremacist with a criminal record.
* Dec. 18, 2006: Jesse Turnbow, 29, was killed after he opened fire on Ogden officers Ed Mahon, John Sattelmair and Derek Draper, responding to calls about an angry man waving a shotgun.
* Jan. 4, 2004: Robert Apodaca, 30, of West Valley City, was shot, then took his own life during an exchange of gunfire with Roy officers Don Ponton and Adam Madsen. The officers sought him after a robbery.
* Jan. 17, 1999: Ogden officer Robert Clements fatally shot Joshua Eric West, 23, after West, apparently suicidal, kept threatening a group of four officers with a large hunting knife and was undeterred by pepper spray and any verbal communication.
* Feb. 24, 1999: Weber County Sheriff's Deputy Michael Howard shot and wounded inmate David Michael Younger, 34, when he tried to escape while being transported from 2nd District Court to Salt Lake County Jail.
* March. 27, 1999: Two Ogden police officers, Tom Hanselman and Ken Huckaby, and Utah Highway Patrol Trooper Chris Williams shot and wounded Joey Conrad, 18, after he brandished a gun after being pulled over for running a red light. Conrad was sent to prison for attempted murder.
* Aug. 2, 1999: James Westmoreland, 62, was shot and wounded by a South Ogden police officer after he pointed a rifle at officers responding to a domestic disturbance complaint at his home.
* Feb. 12, 1996: Michael Stanfield, 18, died in an exchange of gunfire with Layton SWAT Team members Allen Swanson and Quinn Moyes responding to a domestic violence call from Stanfield's wife.
* Aug. 30, 1996: Phu Ly, 65, is fatally shot by Roy officer Adam Madsen after Ly brandished a knife at officers responding to an assault call where Ly reportedly was seen by neighbors beating his daughter with a broom handle.
* Sept. 26, 1996: Tony Colwell, 17, is shot nine times by Utah Highway Patrol Troopers Don Sagendorf and Warren Nelson after he threatened Sagendorf with a handgun during a traffic stop in Ogden. Colwell survived and was sent to prison for attempted murder.
* Sept. 17, 1994: Daniel Hickman, 35, a rape suspect, was shot and killed by Officer John Valdez after a short foot chase when Hickman took an aggressive posture as if he had a gun, although it was later determined he did not.
* July 8, 1993: Weber State Officer Kent Kiernan is shot in the nose after student Mark Duong, 28, opened fire during a campus grievance hearing. Kiernan fired back five times, killing Duong.
* Sept. 25, 1991: Roy officer Pete O'Brien was wounded in an exchange of gunfire when he killed suspected drug dealer Charles E. Kent during an undercover buy in the Ogden Flying J Motel.

 

I dont know, but it doesnt really matter which way he came from does it? A room or a hall way... its not like he was in a closet waiting to attack them...

And yeah that also supports my argument Id say, when they open the door hes not there when they go in he is, probably to see what the fuck is going on

 

you can see they already shot 2 more since the one in op

 

from another thread...this why dealers mark up their product...this is the ultimate risk...your life

 

If he just came out of the room - how still could he have been?

You're saying that he was still, and therefore, despite holding a golf club like a weapon - was not a threat. We see him on camera for less than one second before he is shot -- I am questioning if he was still at all.

The police have declared themselves very loudly at this point - why is he coming out of a room with a weapon?

 

Hey there rolling, long time no talk lol... yeah I can see the whole marked up thing now, but this is just rediculous.

This one seems the most fucked up to me

* Feb. 27, 2009: John Michael Taylor, 47, was shot and killed by Weber County sheriff's deputies, names not available, after barricading himself in a barn behind his Taylor home. Taylor provoked the officers' fire, even goading them to shoot.

He provoked them to? How so...

Also for killing the guy who was holding a knife, who happened to be seeing if his neighbors were beating his daughter with a broom.

And lastly the guy who "took an agressive posture" but turns out he didnt have a gun

Police should only be given tazers and have to keep gun in their car, in case of a fire fight they run to the car for cover anyway. Im pretty sure tazers immobilize people....

 

Still enough to be judged as walking as opposed to running. If he planned on attacking dont you think he would have been running at the cops as soon as he saw them instead of standing where he was? If he even tried moving towards them you would have seen him end up CLOSER to them, rather than backing into a wall and getting shot three times.

Who knows, all theyre doing is yelling from OUT SIDE might I add, he probably can barley hear anyway until they get the door open, at which time they walk in maybe a few feet inside then shoot.

 

I think if I heard a loud bang out the door and a bunch of yelling I would run out with some sort of weapon this is most people's natural reaction.

Your a small army dressed in state of the art body armor and come barging in someone's house yelling and you expect that person not to come running towards the door?

 

I never saw him move in any direction that wasn't towards the cops.

 

this shitty ass computer I'm on won't let me view the video in the thread, can you tell me what to search for on youtube to find it myself? I'm interested in seeing it.

I don't think cops should ever shoot someone unless the other person has a weapon...a real weapon, not a golf club. Aren't cops trained in some kind of fighting style in order to restrain people when they're not being cooperative? shooting someone should always be a last resort, I know I haven't seen the video but from the way you guys are talking, I can't really see any justification to kill him.

 

ok chill. if you want to judge him walking through a door was as AT THE COPS what ever thats your problem, he never made an attempt to CHARGE THEM or anything to make them feel threatened right then and there.

What do you want him to RUN AWAY??? Theyd probably shoot him then too for thinking hes going for a weapon.

 

When wasn't I chill?
Do you disagree that he was in a rather menacing position?

Come out slowly with his hands up and no weapon in them. It's not quite rocket science.

Blair shooting.m4v

No way should they have killed him. But it's hard to say how right or wrong they were with the lack of information. I definitely wouldn't call it murder - and question whether there is enough evidence to call it unjustified.

 

after reading death's first post, i thought it was a fucking sword.

he's definitely holding it in an attack mode, but i really don't think that justifies fatal gun shots, or even shots at all. they have billy clubs, pepper spray and tazers all of which would take down one fucking guy with a golf club.

i fucking hate the police. not just saying it, i've thought it through.

 

after watching the video, i'm not exactly sure what to think. He did appear to come out of nowhere wielding his golf club or whatever (i couldn't even tell it was a golf club) like he planned to use it as a weapon. I know police are trained to react quickly in situations like that, so I agree with Duck that it could not be labeled murder. Still kinda fucked up though, if cops are trained to react quickly in the event of a suspect holding a weapon, they should also be trained to react accordingly if that weapon is in fact not a deadly weapon.

 

Did you not read what I said about him probably not even being able to hear them until they busted down the door, at which point they shot him?

If you think someones breaking into your house, do you plan on comming out with your hands up? It doesnt help that they do it at night time also.

Call it what you want, they killed the guy.

Police are trained to react quickly (I guess... more so swat is trained to react quickly) but theyre also not supposed to use deadly force, ever, unless necessary. I cant see why for some reason this doesnt apply to swat teams or "special ops".

And yeah they are taught some hand to hand combat and take downs, hell my friend is in highschool criminal justice and he already knows tons of take downs and ways to disarm people.

These people just like dont get to get their hands dirty.

 

Someone breaks down your door in the middle of the night, you run in with a golf club, you're shot to death.

Seems fair to me.




I don't give a fuck what he was holding, how many times they said search warrant, if someone's screaming shit and breaks down my door, I'm going to try to grab more than a golf club...
And god help you if you're holding a gun while they enter, even during a no knock raid. If you're armed, your only chance is to kill a bunch of cops... cause if you don't kill em all, you're not surviving, even if you have a legal weapon on your property when you're broken in on.

 

Not to mention they broke the guys fucking door down...

To you people who are insinuating he could have MEANT to take on a SWAT team with a golf club.... are you cops, or what? What a silly thing so imply, someone yelling shit broke down his door in the night, and they shot him. If you went down the street with search warrants, you could execute half of any given city block with the balls to defend themselves against attack, and say they where menacing the police. WELL DUH, THEY SMASHED INTO HIS HOUSE AND GAVE HIM NO TIME TO UNDERSTAND OR SURRENDER!

 

I figured they were taught hand to hand combat; it definitely should have been used in this case. Cops should be trained never to use deadly force unless the suspect is clearly threatening them with a gun. Well, I assume that is how they are trained, they just didn't use their training in this case.

 

They're trained to use force that fits the situation. If the situation is they want a guy dead, they shoot him.

*edit* I don't mean shoot him, I'm sorry... I meant shoot half a clip through him, as though one shot would not have disabled him far more than needed.