Fuck Islam

I pretty much agree, but not totally. What you're saying is completely true of fundamentalist churches. Boring, mundane, liberal churches regularly expose younger people to teachings in the Bible about love and compassion and charity, and these people often respond in a positive way to those messages. They also respond positively to the influence of positive role models that they encounter in such churches. I'm talking about churches that are mostly social clubs. They don't teach intolerance or repression. Some of them have openly gay members.

I have a close friend who goes to a church like that. Denominations known for this include Unitarian (UUC), United Church of Christ (UCC), liberal Presbyterian (PC-USA), and (less commonly) United Methodist.

I think it's important to add that the same lessons can be learned from ancient Buddhist or Taoist teachings, but exposure is rare in America.

Are there moderate / liberal mosques where similar things happen? I honestly have no idea.

What I wish is that there were places where people could be regularly exposed to such positive messages in places that had a more secular orientation. Not sure how that could be done, except online.

 

I think communicating in text opens our minds to each other in a fluid way that we don't otherwise have and that is in the ability to recall precisely what is said and be able to examine it at ones leisure and be able to respond with deeper insight. You can look at the words absent the normal sensational cues and it becomes a more mindful way of communicating. you can rearrange your thoughts through use of sentence structure to come to a very succinct consensus. If I were out to party personal contact beats all, but if I am am discerning great causes then that requires the lack of emotional associations which influence the minds apprehension of fact.

 

Personal habits are personal habits theirs as well as yours. I don't think the habit of telling people they are wrong is as helpful as telling them where they are right. No doubt in my mind we are all essentially worthy. I am also certain many are confused about their own estate in the world. However we always choose with a guide in life. One of those is experience. Experience abrogates the need for ideology but until then the lessons of an older brother can be helpful being passed on to the younger. that is our elders have some valuable insight into our common experience. The religious texts were written by the sage of our community of human experience, not by ignorant sensationalists. The cream rises to the top and to understand sage advice gives you savy.

 

The word "******" appears in Huckelberry Finn 219 times.. does that mean everyone that reads the book will become a racist?
No more than it make a Muslim a terrorist because of the word "Jihad" appear in the Quran 28 times ...

 

I assume you're joking about that. I think you know me well enough by now to know how miserable I would be in that lifestyle.

On the other hand, if a woman wants to join such a religion BY CHOICE, I would be a huge hypocrite to say that it shouldn't be allowed, because I want those people to respect my life choices. Double standards never lead to anything good.

I said respect, not agree with. Somebody can think I'm wrong without wanting to kill me or put me in jail. I can live with that.

Have you ever attended a service at a UUC or UCC church, or had a personal friend who was a member of that kind of church? If not, you might be surprised at what you find. These people have left the ancient past behind, and only look at the timeless wisdom presented by human writers from the past.

To me, using the Bible that way is no different from reading the insightful words attributed to Buddha, without any intention of becoming a Buddhist in the traditional sense.

That's already going on, with all the alternate translations and heavily footnoted study Bibles in use today. Every denomination has their own favorite. Just go in a Barnes & Noble and count the different versions on the shelf. Yes, they are moving towards true editing, in an incremental, evolutionary way.

Not in Islam, though.

I like the way the New Age philosophers make use of all holy books without considering them to be holy. They are just books, to be used for whatever usefulness might be gained from them.

 

I agree that when one relgious group pushes their belief and agenda on someone else they are wrong, and they are evil. Here in America the white christians have enforced their form of evangelical christianity on the native people. Islam demands that everyone agree with them, just like the babtists who gave us the KKK. The Jews have plenty in their Talmud that says it is alright to steal from a Gentile. It says that a Jew does not need to return something borrowed from a Gentile. It says Gentile children are just animals. It says that a Jew can have sex with a child. And It says that Jesus is in hell being boiled in hot excrement. In Israel's gorvernment we have David Ben Gurion saying that Israel must use terror, intimidation, and killing, and the cutting off of all social services to rid the nation of its Arab population. Menachem Begin was recorded saying that Jews are a superior race of people (superior to Muslims and Christians). Ariel Sharon was recorded saying raped and burned Palestinian girls. Also, several famous Rabbis have said that Jewish blood and the blood of Gentiles must not be mixed. In the book of Leviticus Jewish law calls for the killing of homosexuals. So, now we live in 2015 and all around us are people who seem stuck in prehistoric or biblical times. Anyone for a new world? Maybe a sane one?

 

It is a fact of the nature of the human ego as it is commonly construed to condemn in order to justify an unwillingness to forgive. The forgiveness neglected is the ability to admit a mistake and accept it's correction and the only virtue driving it is personal embarrassment.

 

Huckleberry Finn is not the literal word of God handed down to the prophet Muhammad upon which you must prostate yourself, obey in all things, and worship with your whole being.

 

holy can be construed in useful terms by saying it lacks confusion of elements. That is an atom is a holy construct.

 

Nor is any other book a book being a repository of symbols that must be interpreted. That claim is called biblio idolatry.

 

If you imagine a world without religion and them fundamentally ignore any element of the botherhood of man then you have missed the point of the exercise all together.

 

Yes, would you care to contribute? Anxiety in the mind is caused by the misapprehension of what is so.

 

No - I frequently have people's hands chopped off, stoned to death, flogged, beheaded -

 

For what cause do they think they do it? I tell you their motivation is exactly the same as yours and mine. The difference between my perception of what good is and yours is I would see them healed and you would have them meet the fate you prescribe. No difference between your visciousness and his when it gets down to brass tacks. You would call him evil and think that evil does not dwell in your own consciousness.

 

Bollocks. I don't act directly so as to ensure vast numbers of people are subject to barbaric and cruel punishments. I don't wish to extend such a regime to include all humankind.

I haven't prescribed any fate for anyone. But I would like to see radical Islam disappear and the tyrants who run most Arab countries taken down. I'd like to see people freed from the yoke of these archaic and crazy religions.

 

Come again? You don't remember what you said? You don't remember what I said?

No, only the man kind you don't like.

 

I am opposed to all forms of cruel and barbaric punishment across the board.

 

Neither is any other book.

If you feed the troll any more, he's going to get fat.

 

Enough said.