Fuck Christianity!!!

First of all, everyone is a hipocrite in one way or the other. I am not sure how I have demonstrated that to you however. All I have done is presented what is written in the Bible. But if there is a problem with how I am doing it... please let me know how I need to change.

The 2nd two I don't have a problem with. I believe the Christian faith. Sorry if I "ramble" to much about Jesus in the Christian forum. And of course my opinions are going to have God mixed in them. Most of what I do is based off the Bible. If you have a problem with my faith, then so be it. However, I would be happy to talk about the differences.

 

An how have other people in this forum not enacted the above? I severely doubt you're ready to "change"

Sorry if i was being harsh. I just find pious people annoying, and fun to annoy.

 

Hey, as long as it doesn't change my beliefs, I am up to change the way I present my beliefs to others.

 

One of the reasons God choose the Jews over other races, is because He knew they would survive generations of exile, where as most other races put through the same conditions would not. Certainly, history should of taught you that much. God had a plan for the generations of the world, your belief that He should of been a mediator for the locals, demonstrates your smallness of thinking. You say those who believe that the Old Testament is more than just history of the Jewish people are confused. Then you must believe that Jesus Christ was confused as well, because He continuly refered to the Old Testament prophecies which spoke of Him. You say Jesus is not Jehovah, if that is true, why does Christ say that He and the father are One? Why does Christ say if you have seen Me you have seen the Father? Why does the New Testament tells us that Jesus Christ was the one who made the world?
God did not kill Himself, but offered Himself as a living sacrifice. You say you have come here with your own thoughts, but Jesus tells us not to lean unto are own understand, but in all ways acknoledge Him. And we do this when we agree we Scripture and not our own thoughts. If there is miss information I'm sorry to say, it comes from those who ignore clear Scriptural teachings, and express their own thoughts.

 

Lets put it this way, even if you donot accept orginal sin. Will you go to heaven because you deserve to go there, because you lived a perfect and sinless life? And if one sin will keep you out of heaven, what can you personally do to remove that sin from your life?

P.S. God does not send children to Hell. In Scripture there is such a thing as age accountability.

Also, not only does the Bible tell us that the smearing of lambs blood over the door protected the Hebrews from the angle of death, but because the first born of Egypt did die, Pharoah then allowed the children of Israel to finally leave Egypt. It was shortly after, that the Pharoahs heart was hardened again, and he took his army to slaughter the children of Israel at the Red Sea Crossing site. Just in recent years the crossing site has been discovered, and they have found two 18 foot granit pillars marking the site. It is believed the pillars were carved by Solmens workmen. Divers have also discovered the coral incrusted remains of Pharoahs army. And the Bones of both humans and horses with chariot parts scattered for miles alone the bottom. If the Bible spoke the truth about the crossing site, you can be sure the smearing of the lambs blood, was true as well.

 

Amen Sera Michele

 

I pretty much only read the first post...

And I want to sudo-punch the thread starter, for being such a knob.

You don't have to be so extreme, kid. Just because you smoked a joint and realised
Christianity is a lie, doesn't mean you have to be such an ass. Settle dooowwwn.

 

Well if you had any understanding of the prophecies, I'm not sure you would be so quick to rule the Bible out. If you had any understanding of the recent evidences that have been discover you might also give time to rethink your statement. And much of what has been done in this world, has come about because of Christians. And your statement of the bible being bullshit, is what I would expect to hear from an uninformed 15 year old.

 

for the first few months i never stepped foot in a church, but later on i wanted to out of curiosity, i was lucky enough to find a church that didnt care about the denominational devide that churches had made.
if we are all one body then why seperate churches?
why do they contradict, it doesnt make sense.

my church is international, inviting in people from all walks of life and of religious background.

i think thats the way it should be.
open to all people

 

There are actually 2 religions based on some old testament teachings that doesnt believe Christ is the Messiah... Islam and Judaeism(I can never spell that word).


And JesusDiedForU you said you would never change your beliefs... I am not trying to change them because I am not Christian and Christianity is your religion so what if someone on these forums really believed the way Christianity is supposed to be would you not change it then? Because there are about 100000000000 different views of Christianity and everyone says the same thing... they have faith that their's is right.

what makes you think yours is right? I am not saying it is and im not saying that it isnt... just something for you to think about...

 

Well...I don't think you read what I said. If anything I am taking a very broad view...and of course the context was in relation to a comment that God is (my paraphrase) "'fair and 'just', that's for certian." If I am demonstrating smallness of thinking I'm confused because I have really pushed my openess and interpretation about as far as I can go. I firmly believe in Christ and the fact that HE LEFT A RELIGION CALLED JUDAISM AND STARTED A NEW BELIEF CALLED "The Way". I fully understand that the old religion, along with its OT scripture remains the cornerstone of the Hebrew faith. However, as with the grafting process...and the idea that a servant cannot be greater than his master, the NT effectively does what the OT cannot do--offer salvation. Which makes it greater...at least, in Christian eyes greater than Judaism.

So my point of that is that contradictions lie everywhere. Do they exist in the bible...I am sure they do. Does that affect my faith? No. How can the bible, written by hands of men be untainted? Only Christ, born of virginity and completey apart from sin is untainted. Anyway, I do not need to believe that the bible is air tight, as that is not my faith. If someone needs to believe that about the bible then I feel they are placing way too much on evidential proof and not enough on belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, even if he is 'the complete opposite of God...by that I mean the devil in non-evil terms.

Of course I did not say that. Please keep things in context.

Again, context. As a trinity they have very different identies...sometimes I forget people might not be believers and understand. Jesus is not Jehova of the OT. How coud he be, he completely over-wrote Jehova of the OT. The temple, the atonements, everything is completely undone. 'Christians' believe Jesus IS God. So in the OT the belief is that God is unseen, omnicient and sovereign; the NT that Jesus, a man, the son of God, is God himself. It is the reason the Jews yelled 'blasphemy'--how and where did it say that the messiah of the jews would actually be the creator of the heavens and earth, God himself. Enter the old Melchezidek debate! How much of 'clear scriptural teaching' you talk about actually plain old scholarly conjecture? So much. I do not believe it ever did say the messiah would actually be God himself. I believe that is what faith in Christ is all about. The moment the veil tore, the OT scriptures were split...they were exposed for being in error...obviously if they were superceded. The new wine burst the old wine skins...check the context!

I've always assumed its a given...I mean that God as Christ killed himself. Christ bore the sins of the world, yes? To erase one's own existence is probably the most horrifying idea in all of human thought. To go that far into hopelessness that life itself, the simple beautiful process of breathing air, is no longer 'worth it'. Jesus Christ could not be God and he could not take the sins of the world if he had not willingly killed himself. He made the decision to let it happen. You can say 'gave' but thats really semantics and if anything it only depreciates Christ's death on the cross. The idea that He would himself do something so unpardonable as suicide, and in the eyes of God is why his blood covers 'all' sin. Do you need to say 'gave' because the idea of suicide makes Christ too lowly for you? Trust me friend, that is the point. He went as low as any human could go...that his how he rescued us. He walked in the depths of whatever hell is...and his holy spirit resides with us since.

Regarding the first text I emboldened, I am not going to respond because you have placed something scriptural out of context and not in relation to what I have said. Basically I feel that you have also denounced the spirit of discernment by what's above. I am a teacher. I have studied the bible both formally and informally. I have an impression that God has given to me, the same as was given uniquely to Elijah, Elisha, Malachi, etc. What if I have the gift of prophecy...does that not exist within what you have said (i don't by the way).

Your 'clear scriptural teachings' have never existed beyond Christ. The apostles were in constant conflict with their ideas, the same way they were when Christ was on the earth with them. That is actually quite scriptural as the NT relates various discrepencies they had.

please lets cease all this as its getting so attacky from all sides...I am going to tell my testimony on another thread.

 

Of course my beliefs change throughout time... but generally they will stay the same. I never said they would not change at all. I will probably believe my whole life that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of the OT and the Savior of the world. There are some stuff that are irrufutable.

I believe the message of the Bible is right based mainly because of the accuracy of the its prophecies. Through its accuracy of its prophecies I know that the men that wrote the Bible were inspired by God and therefore making the book even more accurate than history books.

 

JDFU:

Please don't take this as a mean spirited attack on your Christian beliefs; you've stated them very succintly and I think it's a good time to pose a question to you:

For discussion's sake only, make the assumption that the prophecies that you base your faith on don't come true...that 200 to 300 years from now the world has evolved, through times of war and peace, into a much different place, and Biblical scholars and Christians in general have come to agree that "this generation" as referred to by Jesus actually meant the world of His time.

How would you view Christianity as a faith under those circumstances, what would be its relevance to mankind, and what would its relationship be to other major faiths?

 

Next time don't say Fuck christianity or Ill say Fuck your mom in the ass untill she dies then jizz all over her dead corpse, and the same for all the women in your family. Is that how you wanna sound? Like an ignorant prick well you do. Why don't you go to the vatican and say Fuck christianity then see how far you get, you should be greatfull of this religious freedom to say what you want, but don't be a jerk about it. If this was 100 years ago youd be dead! For that statement now if that proves your point, well it prolly does. Just say you don't agree with christianity. Its only non-believers that would listen dude, its not like youll change some person whos parents died in a car crash when they were 5and christianity and god is all that got them through it. Your stupid your most likely a homosexual, and please shut the fuck up. Don't say stupid shit again, because next time you do tell your mom she better wear metal underwear cuz her ass is mine!

 

religion is the opiate of the masses

 

Always. That's why I care about what I do. I don't want to hurt anyone (God or souls) unnecessarily.

Sometimes you have to tell someone the truth, which is why I told you that you are a fool. God will make you wise, but be prepared to have your mistaken beliefs corrected.

 

The Bible has never been wrong on a prophecy up to this date. It has a 100% accuracy and the majority of prophecies have already been fulfilled. The only prophecies that really remains are those that lie in the "End Times." If these prophecies were not to happen I would denounce Christianity. Lets get specific and say If anyone other than Jesus Christ was to walk through the Eastern Gate/Golden Gate in Jerusalem than I would stop believing in Jesus and the Bible itself, but God's words have never failed in the past and I do not plan on them failing in the future.

 

You are at risk of hellfire by calling me a fool. You have the choice not to do that.

"Sometimes you have to tell someone the truth?" Well if it is sin then no you do not. This is such a dumb argument and you are such a contradiction to the Bible.

 

your all insane

 

If the Bible is not air tight as you would say, how can you say that Jesus is?
The who concept of Christ was handed down by other men. Where do you begin to say where the Bible is accurate and where it is not? If counterdictions don't effect your faith, then you must not have much of a faith. If you have no standard to build a faith on, then your whole faith my be nothing but a counterdiction. Christ did not leave Judaism, Judaism left Christ. Thats why in the Old Testament prophecy it tells you, He came unto His own and His own received Him not. Jesus is God, because as it is written in the New Testament in John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. then in John 1:14 it states, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. God exist as three persons. And that is why in 1 John 5:7 we read, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. To say that Christ commited suicide, is to pervert the clear teachings of the Scriptures. Christ allowed Himself to be killed, but He did not drive the nails into His hands. The men of this world did this, Christ told the Father if it was possible let this cup pass from Him. Christ did not want to die, but that was what was required to become the blood sacrifice for the sins of the world.