warpigs begat warpigs,did I strike a nerve?I guess it's O.k. to advocate violence as long as the other person is doing it.By joining in the first place he is an advocate.That's where his heart is.He just doesn't want to get his hands dirty.The harm is done.You're both warpigs no matter how much bullshit you babble.What have you done except talk shit."I want to go to california and change the world"We have enough of you phony wanta be liberals here."I'm gonna grow my hair long"You'll just be a longhair warpig.
Hey, Gate, asshole...have you ever pulled the trigger? Have you ever been shipped out to some foreign country to see women, men, and children dying for lies? Have you ever seen one of your buddies get killed right beside you? Fuck off. And if you have...your a heartless bastard...
you don't have to be next to the killing to know it's wrong.I didn't join I didn't want to be in the position to support the war effort even to get out of the house or whatever his excuse was.I appreciate the encouragement and the kind words,warpig.
yeah...I came off a little hard there. But, like someone in another thread said, most people in the army joined to try to get out of poverty. Some are sick bastards that love to kill, but most are just people who, at the time, were to dumbe to realize there'd be a war while they were signed up.
Hey Gate. Just sort of parable here. A soldier wakes one day and finds that his consciousness of the world has been elevated. He says " I cannot do this thing of which they ask, I will not kill another human being" and he lays his gun down on the desert floor. He is adamant and will go to any lengths to live this new belief, he will risk imprisonment, years away from his family, ridicule and scorn from all of the other soldiers. He has chosen a noble path to not shed the blood of others. Along comes a person wandering by and the soldier tells them of this new life and asks for help. The other becomes angry and begins shouting and cursing at him. The other tells him that he does not have the right to make that choice. He must pick the gun back up and go to take the lives of innocents. He absolutely must go to war!! He must kill!!! The soldier gives the other a distant look, shakes his head and continues on, away from war a soldier no more. Based on your views of the world which one would you say is in the wrong?
haha, where to begin By joining in the first place doesn't make his heart long for killing, People do change over time. Human beings do this, everyday, millions of them. I'm a warpig? Haha...this is why people dont take you seriously. I'm not a phony wannabe liberal, I am liberal, and I take "liberal" as a compliment. Also, my hair is already long.
Also Gate, you have not done anything to help prevent this man from killing other human beings....by your logic, this makes you an advocate of war.
I said he should fess up and go to jail,further taxing this corrupt system.He joined,that shows what kind of person he is,if he has really changed he should make ammends for the evil he has already done. As for the parable,the soldier should walk away being the lesser of two evils.Another parable:A man living in poverty robs a store killing the clerk,then he walks outside saying he no longer believes in violence.Truly after looking at the bloody dead body it did turn his stomach.Should he walk or should he be responsible for the damage he has done?
You can't compare the two. He hasn't yet "robbed" anyone. Therefore, he's really done no damage whatsoever, no matter how you look at it.
He got paid to be a killer and if he's still in,I doubt if he's refusing pay now.He should lay his weapon down and say"fuck you I'm not doing your dirty work anymore",but he isn't he's looking for an easy out.Is he willing to go to jail for his beliefs?It doesn't sound like it.Given the choice I believe he'd go kill.Saying he hasn't robbed anyone is like saying Bush hasn't killed anyone.They're all responsible and when we support them we're responsible.
wtf?!?!?!?!?! First you compared him to a robber/murderer who proclaimed he didnt believe in violence right after he kills a clerk...that doesnt make any sense whatsoever. A soldier "robbing" someone would have to kill and then preach that he doesn't believe in picking up a gun. Then you compare him to George Dubya... "is like saying Bush hasn't killed anyone"... has this soldier been the commander in chief of the us military that is sending the troops to murder and kill? No, not at all. He has no link at all to the deaths in Iraq. And wanting to bring the troops doesn't make us support the war.
Gate I tried to get out before we got activated. Which means before I knew I had to get my hands dirty. People change just deal with it. Right now i would rather kill myself than kill someone else. Gate could you please just shut up I don't need your input. Even if I could kill someone i still would'nt go to this war. There's no basis for this war. Soul rebel i found a couple of interestinfgsites the first one is pretty promising I don't know if the stuff it talks about is still in effect though. http://www.sftt.org/article02112002a.html http://www.jeremyhinzman.net/updates.html http://www.brandonhughey.org/
Gate this came fromBrandon Hugheys website. A charge often levelled by all-American types against those who stand up for their beliefs by refusing to fight in wars they find unconscionable, and who willingly go to prison or into exile in order to avoid violating their own consciences. These 'cowards' are to be contrasted with red-blooded, 'patriotic' youths who literally bend over, grab their ankles, submit to the government, fight in wars they do not understand (or disapprove of), and blindly obey orders to maim and to kill simply because they are ordered to do soall to the howling approval of the all-American mob. This type of behavior is commonly termed 'courageous.' I found another good site that may help me out if all else fails http://www.resisters.ca/
Gate, keep in mind, he actually hasnt shot anybody yet. And he's trying to keep it that way. Would you go to jail simply becasue of some asshole in a five thousand dollar suit in Washington decided that he'd go to war? Most of theses people in the army signed up before Bush even got in. They have no control over their own fate. Really, would you go to jail becasue you signed up to get some college money, and some asshole decided to start a war that yuou dont want to participate in?
it still is their responsability to lay down their arms and refuse to go to iraq - that's where you have to draw the distinction between being a part of this war and not. In iraq you are contributing to the war effort, whether you're actually killing or not. dunno man do what you need to do i guess, but i really encourage you to not go whatever it costs.
Hi man, do anything but what "themadcapsyd" suggested you. I think you and all the guys which are in the same situation you are ought to gather and possibly set up with many civilians an opinion movement which could bring to evidence the military overwhelming blindness..fahrenheit 9/11 was very effective in showing it.. then, i don't know what was written on your contract, but the impossibility of dismissing oneself is cruel.. i'd take in consideration the idea of leaving the country to Canada.. we need to be supported by the more people you can
Have you tried www.objector.org or the GI Rights Hotline? I don't know if anyone mentioned it yet(too many posts to read through), but the website gives legitimate ways out, none easy or swift by any stretch of the imagination, and a hotline for GIs gone AWOL. The hotline connects you to people who know the ins and outs of the system if and when you do decide to deny Uncle Sam your "dutiful" service/indiscriminate killing of innocent women and children. I read you loud and clear about the military predicament and regretting signing up. I'm in the Navy right now. Granted, I'm a sailor on a ship many, many, many miles from any real combat and haven't touched a gun or gone through the kind of drills you do, but I do know what it's like to sign your life away for your own ends besides those of "service to your country" under the guise of "defending freedom," only to become dishearteningly disillusioned a few months into your enlistment of the full gravity of military existence. Again, as a sailor, life is nowhere near as difficult as that of a soldier's, but I share your dissent. There are ways out but in no small feat, at least if you want out with a general or honorable discharge, if that really matters. Good luck and let me know if you're aware of this website and hotline, please.
Ok... Wondering why you posted this in other places. (you only need one for people to read) Ok. Im going to be blunt and tell you strate out. Say your gay to get out of the army. You go over there people trust you to pull that trigger and spray the brains of the enemy all over. If you go over and dont fight your going to get are troops killed. I dont really care what you do. Just don't let someone whos putting there life in your hands die because you didnt have the balls to pull the trigger...
