Freemason Conspiracy

i used to have an obsession with all this sort of thing....much of what pressed is saying iv come to the same conclutions through mine own research/encounters. the rabbit hole goes deep and is loaded with misinformation....so really its difficult to get anywhere without an obsession. iv since thrown in the towel though....i dont really care what these guys are doing anymore. only what im doing, and what my brothers and sisters are doing. you cant fight the evil empire, its better to remove yourself from it. thats what my mission is all about now, getting our generation out of babylon for our kids sake.

 

Yay! Someone on a similar page as me. There's a point where you gotta stop banging your head against the big picture 'cause it just doesn't get you anywhere and folks just get frustrated 'cause every conversation turns into that of the 'obsession'. Sometimes you just gotta go out and live your life.

 

you cant really point any fingers at these organizations either....every individual has their own intention and motives and beliefs....and yes there are many shwag people in these organizations, but there are many quality people as well even in the higher degrees. iv had some real spiritual information exchanges from high ranking masons and rosicrucians, that have been postive for me.

 

Morals and Dogma is a SURVEY of religious and philosopical thought seen through the filter of the times Mr. Pike lived in. The Preface to the book is critical to understanding what Pike was trying to do and how it relates to the Craft.

The Memphis rite is a Clandestine lodge and has nothing to do with legit FreeMasonry. The Memphis rite is closely related to the OTO.

I suggest you might also profit from reading Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine if you go in for M&D type reading.

Me, I prefer the picknicks and baseball games. But then again, I was a Theosophist before I joined the Masonic Lodge at Joe Miller's suggestion.

I will reproduce the preface to M&D here.

I suggest if you are not a fellon or a bankrupt that you join your local lodge and find out for yourself. Join the granddaddy of the "conspiricy" to make the condition of the human race better.

Morals and Dogma is available for free on the web. Make sure you have a real copy and not one of the French Catholic forgerys. The preface often is not reproduced or over looked. This is to bad because it is vital to understanding the book.

The Masonic Fraternity is not a religion and does not claim infallibility. The Fraternity encourages its members to inquire into things and discover their meanings for themselves.
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Preface to Morals and Dogma

The following work has been prepared by authority of the Supreme Council of the Thirty-third Degree, for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States by the Grand Commander, and is now published by its direction. It contains the Lectures of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite in that jurisdiction, and is specially intended to be read and studied by the Brethren of that obedience, in connection with the Rituals of the Degrees. It is hoped and expected that each will furnish himself with a copy, and make himself familiar with it; for which purpose, as the cost of the work consists entirely in the printing and binding, it will be furnished at a price as moderate as possible. No individual will receive pecuniary profit from it, except the agents for its sale.

It has been copyrighted, to prevent its republication elsewhere, and the copyright, like those of all the other works prepared for the Supreme Council, has been assigned to Trustees for that Body. Whatever profits may accrue from it will be devoted to purposes of charity.

The Brethren of the Rite in the United States and Canada will be afforded the opportunity to purchase it, nor is it forbidden that other Masons shall; but they will not be solicited to do so.
In preparing this work, the Grand Commander has been about equally Author and Compiler; since he has extracted quite half its contents from the works of the best writers and most philosophic or eloquent thinkers. Perhaps it would have been better and more acceptable if he had extracted more and written less.
Still, perhaps half of it is his own; and, in incorporating here

p. iv

the thoughts and words of others, he has continually changed and added to the language, often intermingling, in the same sentences, his own words with theirs. It not being intended for the world at large, he has felt at liberty to make, from all accessible sources, a Compendium of the Morals and Dogma of the Rite, to re-mould sentences, change and add to words and phrases, combine them with his own, and use them as if they were his own, to be dealt with at his pleasure and so availed of as to make the whole most valuable for the purposes intended. He claims, therefore, little of the merit of authorship, and has not cared to distinguish his own from that which he has taken from other sources, being quite willing that every portion of the book, in turn, may be regarded as borrowed from some old and better writer.
The teachings of these Readings are not sacramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrine, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment. Of course, the ancient theosophic and philosophic speculations are not embodied as part of the doctrines of the Rite; but because it is of interest and profit to know what the Ancient Intellect thought upon these subjects, and because nothing so conclusively proves the radical difference between our human and the animal nature, as the capacity of the human mind to entertain such speculations in regard to itself and the Deity. But as to these opinions themselves, we may say, in the words of the learned Canonist, Ludovicus Gomez: "Opiniones secundum varietatem temporum senescant et intermoriantur, aliæque diversæ vel prioribus contrariæ renascantur et deinde pubescant."

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Berlin, Irving - Entertainer
Black, Hugo L. - Supreme Court Justice
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Churchill, Winston - British Leader
Citroen, Andre - French Engineer and motor car manufacturer
Clark, Roy - Country Western Star
Clark, Thomas C. - Supreme Court Justice
Clark, William - Explorer
Clarke, John H. - Supreme Court Justice
Clemens, Samuel L. - Mark Twain - writer
Cobb, Ty - Baseball Player
Cody, "Buffalo Bill" William - Indian fighter, Wild West Show
Cohan, George M. - Broadway star
Cole, Nat 'King' - Great ballad singer
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Dole, Robert - Former Senator from Kansas
Doolittle, General James - Famous Air Force Pilot
Douglas, William O. - Supreme Court Justice
Dow, William H. - Dow Chemical Co.
Doyle, Sir Author Conan - Writer - Sherlock Holmes
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Fitch, John - Inventor of the Steamboat
Fleming, Sir Alexander - Invented Penicillin
Ford, Gerald R. - President of the U.S.
Ford, Henry - Pioneer Automobile Manufacturer
Forten, James - Abolitionist/manufacturer
Fortune, Timothy Thomas - Journalist
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Gibbon, Edward - Writer - Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Gilbert, Sir William S. - Was the librettis for "Pirates of Penzance"
Gillett, King C. - Gillett Razor Co.
Glenn, John H. - First American to orbit the earth in a space craft
Godfrey, Arthur - Actor
Goldwater, Barry - Former Senator from Arizona, Presidential Candidate
Grant, Ulysees S. - US Military Leader, President of US
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Harlan, John M. - Supreme Court Justice
Hawkins, Augustus F. - US Congressman from California
Hayden, Josef - Composer
Hedges, Cornelius - "Father" of Yellowstone National Park
Henry, Patrick - Patriot
Henson, Josiah - Inspired the novel "Uncle Tom's Cabin"
Herbert, James - "Eubie" Blake, composer/pianist
Hilton, Charles C. - American Hotelier
Hoban, James - Architect for the U.S. Capital
Hoe, Richard M. - Invented the rotory press, revolutionizing newspaper printing
Hoover, J. Edgar - Director of FBI
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Lamar, Joseph E. - Supreme Court Justice
Lamar, Mirabeau B. - 3rd President of the Republic of Texas
Land, Frank S. - Founder Order of DeMolay
Leazer, Gary - Investigated Freemasonry for Southern Baptist Convention and later joined Freemasonry
Lewis, Meriwether - Explorer
Lincoln, Elmo - First actor to play Tarzan of the Apes (1918)
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Marshall, James W. - Discovered Gold at Sutter's Mill California 1848
Marshall, John - Chief Justice U.S. Supreme Court 1801 - 1835
Marshall, Thurgood - Associate Justice, U.S. Supreme Court
Mathews, Stanley - Supreme Court Justice
Mayer, Louis B. - Film producer who merged to form Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM)
Mayo, Dr. William and Charles - Founded the Mayo Clinic
Maytag, Fredrick - Maytag
McKinley, William - President of the U.S.
Mecherle, George Jacob - Founder, State Farm Insurance
Menninger, Karl A. - Psychiatrist famous for treating mental illness
Mesmer, Franz Anton - practiced Mesmerism which led to Hypnotism
Metcalfe, Ralph H. - Olympic Champion
Michelson, Albert Abraham - Successfully measured the speed of light in 1882
Minton, Sherman - Supreme Court Justice
Mix, Tom - U.S. Marshal turned actor. Stared in over 400 western films
Monroe, James - President of the U.S.
Montgolfier, Jacques Etienne - Co-developer of the first practical hot-air balloon
Moody, William H. - Supreme Court Justice
Morris, Dr. Robert - Poet and Founder of the Order of Eastern Star
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Penny, James C. - Retailer
Pershing, John Joseph - Decorated American Soldier
Pike, Zebulon - Pike's Peak named after him
Pitney, Mahlon - Supreme Court Justice
Poinsett, Joel R. - U.S. Minister to Mexico who developed the flower: Poinsettia
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Rickenbacker, Eddie - Great American Air Force Ace
Ridgeway, Matthew - US Military Leader
Ringling Brothers - All 7 brothers and their father were Masons.
Robinson, Sugar Ray - American Boxer
Rogers, Roy - American cowboy and screen star
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Schoonover, George - Founder of "The Builder"
Scott, Sir Walter - Writer
Sellers, Peter - Actor
Sexson, Mark - Minister & Founder: Intl. Order of Rainbow for Girls
Shakespeare, William - Writer
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Skelton, Red - Entertainer
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Schatz, Jerry - Child Actor, stage name Jerry Tucker, Our Gang, Hi Neighbor
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Stewart, Potter - Supreme Court Justice
Still, Andrew T. - American Physician who devised treatment of Osteopathy
Stokes, Carl B. - First Black elected Mayor, Cleveland, Ohio
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Thurston, Howard - Last of the great vaudeville magicians.
Tillis, Mel - Country Singer
Tirpitz, Alfred Von - German Naval officer responsible for submarine warfare
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Q: Did the Masonic scholar Albert Pike really say that all Masons were secret followers of Lucifer?

A: No. In many anti-Masonic books you'll see what is supposed to be a quotation from Pike, saying that all Masons of the "Higher Degrees" are secret worshipers of Lucifer. The historical fact is that those words were written in 1894, three years after Pike's death. They were written by a notorious atheist and pornographer named Gabriel Jogand-Pages who was better known by his pen name, Leo Taxil. Taxil was engaged in an elaborate hoax to discredit the Church of Rome and made up the Pike quotation out of thin air.

His purpose was to show that the Church had failed to recognize the "threat" posed by Freemasonry and was, therefore, headed by fools and incompetents. Taxil publicly admitted the hoax in 1897, but it had already been published by a man named Abel Clarin de la Rive, who took Taxil's hoax at face value.

Rive's book, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle (Woman and Child in Universal Freemasonry), was quoted by Edith Starr Miller in 1933 in her book Occult Theocrasy. She translated the "quotation" into English.

Since that time, several writers of anti-Masonic books have simply repeated the "quotation" without checking on its source or authenticity. Taxil's public confession notwithstanding, the lie continues to shadow the name of Pike, who was, to his death, an Episcopalian Christian.

Q: But don't some writers say that in the 30th Degree of the Scottish Rite, the room is filled with diabolical symbols and the candidate comes face to face with Lucifer? A: Some anti-Masonic writers have said that, but it isn't true. First of all, they mistake a stage set for a sanctuary. The Degrees of Masonry are plays, some set in a Lodge room and some using full-stage settings. The message of the 30th Degree is that man should think about death (not avoid the thought fearfully) and realize that death is not frightening but a natural process. So the setting contains traditional symbols of death, like black curtains and a drawing of a mausoleum.

Putting the Degree's setting aside, the materials anti-Masons usually quote just do not come from the 30th Degree. Instead these quotations come from the anti-Masonic book Scottish Rite Masonry Illuminated. The anonymous author of the book wildly changed materials wherever he wished-even some of the names of the Degrees are wrong.

Although the book is presented as a Ritual of the Masonic Fraternity, you need only read through the author's introductory notes or end notes to realize that he intends it as an attack on Freemasonry which he calls "a tissue of fearful falsehood."

The book is generally quoted by writers who insist that instead of quoting anti-Masonic materials, they are using only material "written by and/or published by Masons for Masons." Perhaps they have not read the notes.

I Guess not as the 360 degree thing is a Nation of Islam thing and not a Masonic thing.

and the rest of your post... Um, there is not a 40th degree. If you know of one please cite your sources for it and the rest of your post.
Your level of obvious misinformation is astounding!

But you are right about one thing. Freemasons are trying to change the world every day.

Someone even wrote a book about it called The Aquarian Conspiricy as I recall.

 

Oh really? Then please tell me their names and how it is you came to know these most honorable gentlemen. The 33's are rather rare, and I have only met two of them in all my years at lodges all over the world. Even my lawyer, who was Grand Master of California, was not a 33.

 

BodyElectric, were you an RG or a JD? Did you consider Amaranth or ES?
I know that the Memphis Rite and Mizrim rite are Clandestine lodges did they admit women?

 

Aspirine -- go spam your cut & paste bullshit elsewhere. Thank you.

 

I can answer. Heresay can be true and is admissible in some courts, Scotland allows it it think. But actual documents, history, biographys of members, and the fruits of the Freemasons are of far more weight than heresay evidence that often has it origens in proven fraud.

 

Awww. is Pressed Rat upset that actual sources were cited that disprove his fantasy? What happend to Warthog? Can I get any amplified heat? Is there anything left of the collection of dogs legs and feet?

 

Nothing that comes from Masons or their public documents is to be trusted. The material they put out for the public is simply propaganda. And I am not saying all Masons are bad. Many of them are just clueless dupes who believe all the low-level nonsense that is fed to them. Most Masons are porch Masons, and Albert Pike himself said these people are no better than the "profane" (ie. the unenlightened masses). These Masons only THINK they've been let on to the truth, but nothing could be further from this. The 98% of Masons who are not in the know merely provide a charitable facade for the 1-2% who are in the know.

 

Nothing Mason's say can be trusted but Albert Pike can? Honestly that man wrote with so much condescension it's almost unbearable. Great source for ritualistic information but his opinions (especially of himself) need a grain of salt to digest.

:1eye:

 

Before blurting out your Bill O'Reilly-esque epithets at people you don't even know from behind the comfort of your computer screen, you might want to perform your own research on the matter. I'll help you out by providing this link. Check it out:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9031528790566079658&q=Riddles+in+Stone

 

Golly, did a great deal of research and even wrote a point by point rebuttal of one of Mr Bill S's (MHRIH) books of lies. I even have posted an address to a web page that lists some actual rituals. I mean what else can I say except that it is unlikely that the top members of a group composed of judges, lawyers, Journalists and writers, among others could keep a conspiricy secret. Unless... the are demons of Satan. Oh I 've said too much.

 

Okay, now I'm pretty sure you're just trying to be a dick.

 

You can answer what? it wasn't a question directed at you and had you taken the time to read it in context you may have understood I wasn't asking in relation to court proceedings.

 

brother

Well, lemme break it down for ya. The reason they can keep it a secret is because well...they are SWORN to secrecy. If they violate it, they would suffer huge consequences. It's called a "brotherhood".

 

Yeah, so? What is wrong with that? That is what fraternal organzations do. The penalties are metaphorical. Being ostracized from the lodge, well that may be a big deal. Being known to influential people as an oath breaker who cannot be trusted, well that is a big deal.

 

Yes.