Free Tibet - Boycott China Olympics!

I want to see Tibet deal with it's problems by itself, not by forcible occupation. Even if they have a not so perfect history I want them to deal with it. You can't force them to change, the Chinese occupation is only going to make things worse. Buddhism is not about reaching perfection, it is about trying to better yourself and doing so through having and displaying compassion for your fellow beings.

No part of the world is free of bloodshed, historically.

Ellenz, I am curious to know what you think about the Iraq invasion, of the destruction of various Buddhist momuments by the Islamic extremists, and of the human rights abuses by the Chinese government in the largely muslim part of China, and about the thing in Africa.

There are loads of people living in poverty and desperation in my home country, Scotland (part of UK). Do the Chinese government want to invade us and put everyone who stands in their way in prison and torture us? No, I guess there are too many valuable trade links there.

The chinese ocupation as it stands now is a pre-emptive defence strategy, nothing else. Iran, India and Pakistan all have nuclear capabilities. It makes sense to have a lookout post on the other side of the big hill, doesn't it?

Fuck everything it stands for.

 

Do you know what tibetans want? No!!!

My opinion is: mind your own business, leave Chinese alone to deal with their own problem!!!!!!!!!!! End of the story!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=488Ec-BPKIA

 

It's not as if anyone's calling for an invasion of China. It's simple pressure being put on China to improve it's human rights record. Same as would be put on any country.

 

Yes. They want to be ruled by themselves, not an invading torturing capitalism empire.

The Chinese need to leave the Tibetans alone to deal with their own problems.

 

McLeodGanja
i wont talk any more with you
i think you dont know China,you dont know Chinese people

i wont waste any time.
if you are intresting,visit http://www.anti-cnn.com

 

I'd given up on you several posts ago anyway.

When your country allows independent monitors in to report on what's happening and back up what your corrupt government says, then I might start to listen to your repetitive slant.

Ponder these articles whilst you storm off in the huff.

http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk/?page=editorial&id=72&catID=6

"TORTURE IN TIBET
Aged 19, Tsering Samdup from Pembo County, near Lhasa in Tibet, was incarcerated for six years by the Chinese authorities for taking part in a four-person, peaceful demonstration. Tsering managed to escape to India in June 2005. He shares his experience of human rights abuses in his homeland"

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/15/humanrights.olympicgames2008

"An estimated 374 people will be executed in China during this summer's Olympic games in Beijing, Amnesty International has claimed."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/14/chinathemedia.olympics2012

"s the Olympic torch continues its painful journey across the globe, spare a thought for the press officers sitting in the headquarters of the Beijing Olympics Organising Committee, watching their PR dream descend into a spinners' nightmare. There is little to suggest that August will be much happier for them - unless the Chinese find a strategy for turning their PR troubles round. But will they really be able to transform the games into the positive story they were hoping for?

Lance Price, a former PR adviser to Tony Blair, accompanied me on a trip to China last year, where we participated in a series of media workshops for Chinese government press officers. The current torch crisis, he says, actually offers the Chinese a great opportunity - but it is not necessarily just a PR opportunity.

"The Chinese government have a clear choice," he says, "They either take it on the chin and carry on as they are doing, recognising that they are paying a very heavy price in terms of reputation; or they can recognise that this is the ideal opportunity to refashion the country's image and show that the change that they have been talking about is real.

"They need to do something as big as fundamentally re-examining the way in which citizens - both national minorities and the majority population - have their human rights respected.

"The change has to be real, not cosmetic - there are some situations which are beyond spin.""

 

Another person who knows nothing about China but is misguided by their fucking media.

 

And next time please do not put these stupid links here,I believe what I see and what I heard.

I have been to Tibet for many times and I got 3 classmates who are from Tibet when I was in university,they told me most Tibetans do not want to be independent and appreciate what our government have done there(like building the railways,low tax,giving preferential policy to them......) and students there can go to the best universities in China by very low mark in the test.

By the way,Tibet is an Autonomous Region......simply you know nothing about Tibet.

 

LOL @ Stupid links. fool. The Gaurdian happens to be one of the most intellectual left wing papers in the UK. They donot espouse propagandist bullshit like corrupt governments with their curtains drawn, they aim to provide the facts and back them up. They are worth a lot more than any bullshit government who tried to convince the world it is ethical by controlling the channels through which people, especially their own, gather information.

What about China's human rights record, or it's pollution, don't they matter? You guys seem to think the whole world hates China because of ONE THING, and none of you proponents of chinese capitalism seem to talk about any of these things. We don't hate China, just your fucking government, who are about the worst bunch of capitalist bastards the world has to offer at the moment.

The article I was looking for this morning. The journalist Isabel Hilton is the editor of this site.

http://www.Chinadialogue.net/

Ditch the tatty flag of nationalism

When it took on the games, China promised heroic efforts for change. But the torch debacle has left it snarling in a corner

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/12/olympicgames2008.china

There is never any shortage of public relations advisers willing to take on unpromising clients, especially those with deep pockets. Reports that the Chinese government has called for bids from foreign PR companies indicate that Beijing, at some level, understands that its own attempts to mould world opinion have tanked. But if the exercise is to have any success, the client does, occasionally, need to take the advice. It would not be an easy account to manage.

On the day that the Olympic torch - or, as Beijing calls it, "the sacred flame" - went into hiding in a San Francisco warehouse, Beijing's second in command in Tibet, Qiangba Puncog, held a press conference. He was talking against the background of another news management failure: the appearance of a group of monks at the lovely and historic Labrang monastery in Gansu, bearing a Tibetan flag to remind a visiting press party that this was another propaganda exercise.

Puncog joined the Communist party in the cultural revolution, and his political attitudes do not seem to have progressed much. He epitomises the policies that have helped to generate this perfect storm of bad publicity for China. Of his fellow Tibetans he observed, in a phrase that would not have shamed a recalcitrant 19th-century imperialist, "I believe Tibetans are a good, simple people who know how to be grateful". And in the event of any of these humble, grateful people disrupting the torch relay through Tibet, he promised: "They will be dealt with severely." As western political leaders glumly contemplated their August diaries, conscious that there were no good options, Beijing's putative public relations consultants must have been reaching for the hemlock.

Since the unrest in Tibet began, everything Beijing has done and said has reinforced its critics' case. The foreign press is accused, in strident terms, of lying, while its capacity to report directly is cut off by Beijing. Behind a security cordon, overwhelming force has been brought to bear. Precisely how it is being used we do not know, but when an authority with a violent past reaches for a stick and slams the door shut, there is little reason to be sanguine.

As the trouble spread last month to the Tibetan areas of Gansu, Sichuan and Qinghai, convoys of trucks carrying military police fanned out across the Tibetan plateau. The faces in the trucks looked young, but the fixed bayonets leaning against the tailboards spoke of their seriousness of purpose.

No foreign visitor could testify directly to the result because the provincial foreign affairs bureaux were already at work, combing through the hotels for foreigners who were to be swept back to the cities, where they would be blind to further trouble or reprisals. Chinese migrants sat in flyblown restaurants watching the official story on television, scenes of riot on a loop, played and replayed, cursing Tibetans for what viewers had been told was unprovoked violence against hardworking Chinese migrants. Tibetans kept their distance, wary of revenge attacks.

The exercise was reminiscent of China's recent, closed, dogmatic past, when all citizens were obliged to subscribe to the official version of events, however much they might privately dissent. A dictatorship can oblige this acceptance of a single narrative as the price of living unmolested in the state, but it only works if the outside world, with its diverse point of view and different stories, is kept at bay. The method, though, is incompatible in a society open to the outside world, as China now wishes to be.

The story of China in the past month is tragic on many levels. Prepared to fling open the doors to show off its best furniture and fashionable new clothes, official China is snarling in a corner instead, its confident image shredded by the real-time street theatre of London, Paris and San Francisco.

The issue is no longer confined to Tibet. Now it is about the nature of China's rise, and a leadership capable of misreading the reactions of others so catastrophically. It is revealed as a regime that clings to symbolic politics, without realising that symbols carry different messages and, in the wider world, nobody can monopolise how they are read. What is now at risk is not only the success of the Olympics, but the direction of Chinese politics. This matters to us all, so here, at no charge and with respect, are some suggestions.

Firstly, stop digging. The torch relay was introduced at the 1936 Berlin Olympics as a triumphalist exercise. Proposing to run the longest relay ever, and including Taiwan and Tibet, was bound to open Beijing to the charge of exploiting an international sporting symbol for a nationalist agenda. At this point, the more security the torch needs, the more negative the message.

Secondly, get some honest advice and listen to it. In intolerant, top-down systems, subordinates tell the boss what they think he wants to hear. By the time the boss discovers the deception, the damage has been done. It may be painful to admit errors in public, but it would have a positive effect. In grown-up systems, the humbling of politicians is something in which the people can take pride, rather than feel as a national humiliation.

Thirdly, it's time to take the initiative back, sit down for talks with the Dalai Lama and take a hard look at China's record in Tibet. To insist that the Dalai Lama is single-handedly responsible for the failure of China's policies in Tibet just makes Beijing look ridiculous internationally and does nothing to resolve the crisis. In the long run the choice is between more decades of repression and rebellion, and the chance of a constructive settlement that offers long-term stability for China and cultural survival for Tibet. For the past 50 years Chinese policy in Tibet has provoked intermittent uprisings. It is time to draw the right lessons.

When China signed up for the Olympics, it promised to improve human rights and press freedom, as well as to clean up the air and provide impeccable organisation. There have been heroic efforts on air quality, and nobody doubts the logistics or the shining new venues. But on human rights Beijing has fallen back on repression and has thrown away the chance to argue, with justice, that China has made considerable progress in building a legal state, in personal freedoms and in creating prosperity. Now those achievements have been sidelined by a torch that cannot venture on to the streets without an armed escort.

There is still a choice to be made, and a change of policy is by far the best decision. So far, Beijing has reached for the tattered flag of nationalism. The official story blames China's enemies; that line may convince many - even most - Chinese, but if the end of the story is to force 1.3 billion people back into a position of antagonism towards the outside world, when the strategy for the past 15 years has been to open up, what will have been gained?

 

HARRRY what kind of bullhist trip are you on. I SAID? This is fuck all the media I said provided the facts.

PLEASE EDIT YOUR POST.

The Guardian and Amnesty International are both very reliable of sources of information, way more reliable than anything that you proponents of the chinese Empire have provided.

 

Is that it! Is that all you can fucking come up with to defend your country? A foreign news article that got it slightly wrong and something. Do you want to see some footage of Chinese guards beating the crap out of someone, is that what it will take to to convice you that your government are a bunch of cum bags? Maybe you are working for the government.

 

Slightly wrong? Perfect! and all the media who made the same mistake got it slightly wrong?Anybody who can think knows that they did it purposely.

Regarding to your question about my work, I am telling you I am not working for the government. I do international trade and have traveled to more than 30 contries in the past 10 years,so I believe what I see.

There is no need to argue more,if you want to know more about China,the best way is to come here and take a look, not google the information in Internet,if you google "the Mars",you can get many news reporting the aliens.That's all.

 

Fuck your bullshit picking nits. What about the Chinese government and it's human rights record, and it's destruction of the environment, do you deny it?

I have no doubt that you travel the world making money, you have already displayed to me that you have the mind of a capitalist, why not also the body.

Why do the Chinese government refuse to allow independent monitors in?

 

Do not think I believe the government, I am not a kid, I just believe what I see.

I am not defending the government,I am defending the Olympics.

How about USA government?they caused more than 1 million people dead in Iraq,they just ignore the human rights of other counties,they have no reason to blame us.

 

If you want to boycott the Olympics,no matter which country holds it we can always find a reason to boycott,which does not make any sense.

 

Yes it does. It means that most countries governments are bollocks. They are all corrupt in some way or another, that is why we must get rid of them all, not just the one currently hosting the Olympics.

 

Fuck the Olympics as well, and the American Governments bullshit slaughter of millions of people. Do I really give a shit how far people can jump, or how high they can throw a ball of lead?

If you are not defending your government, then what do you have to say about their human rights abuses and their pollution of the environment because THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT?

 

Many years ago, my impression about USA was based on what I read,later I went there and lived half a year there,and I know my impression about them before is totally wrong.

And I began to develop my market in north American 5 years ago,I sold the products to Target, JC penny,Wal mart.....I cooperated with their buying offices and I knew China and USA have strong tie in Economy,and officials of both counties are the people who controll the world economy....they earn money and play with us.

I see it and I state my point.

And I am not defending the government, but China government is not that bad as the western media says,that's what I am trying to say.And you need to come to China and stay and then make your own judgement. Tks.