Fox "news."

Fox news attitude in a minute of nut shell.

 

exactly, and because they are white, they can't possibly be stupid.

 

Yeah but--whatabout------(over and over)

That's perfect--Cleese is right on the money--too stupid to know you're too stupid!!! Makes perfect and logical sense .

 

Fox has it's roots with Nixon. The Republicans were furious that the public got one story. They became convinced that if they had a network for them only they could have stopped Watergate as long as they hyped the divide. It was theree in the 70's too you know. These crazy left wing people don't respect our dear leader, they burn the flag, smoke drugs, and worst of all refuse to even fight to stop Communism thus allowing it to come to America. They knew they had voters who could get mad. As soon as cable got big in the 80's they started to plan.

I guess they were right. Because Fox news existed Trump was able to beat many things with FAR more evidence of shady treason than Nixon ever had.

 

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LOL - the fact that you seem unable to refute it in any rational way and have just instead been spending your time bitching and moaning?

LOL oh please…really…so let’s get this straight….because racism is aimed at a group that is collectivism and since in your view collectivism is a left wing trait then racism has to be left wing?

So abracadabra – no right wingers can be racists

Honestly this bit a magical thinking is what you think of as rational argument?

 

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Ok so you agree with the removal of confederate statue from public spaces?

Well the majority of Americans seemed to be with you on that I don’t think there is a majority of even left wingers in favour of removing public statues of Teddy Roosevelt, Abe Lincoln or Winston Churchill, yeah you can probably find those that do but then one American adult in five believes the sun revolves around the earth, and some 30% of Americans seem to believe Trump is an honest person.

Subvert what argument?

If you mean me saying that it seems to me that many on the right don’t seem to have any real solutions to today’s problems large or small but instead just spend their time bitching and moaning and indulging in culture wars then the fact that you have spent the last few pages bitching and moaning and indulging in culture wars but not giving any solutions, seems to back up my argument for me don’t you think?

 

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Actually is was Page 6 Post #106 but hey… so to repeat -

It becomes increasingly obvious that the right has nothing to contribute, the things they seem so concerned about seem so petty or even imaginary.

In a world in which there is ongoing death, disease, hardship, poverty, inequality, environmental degradation and corruption their big concerns seem to be flags and statues, conspiracies and the myths of political correctness.

It seems to me that many on the right don’t want the real problems highlighted because they know they have no solutions.

I feel sorry for them they are sad sad people that have nothing of good to contribute to their society they just have their bile, bitching and their hate, lacking in solutions, insights or empathy, if anything they are the problem, a cancer eating away at American society.

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If you look at the right wing media like Fox News and the right wing contributors here it seems to be clear that rather than putting forward rational solution they’d prefer to stoke up a culture war.

Look at flags and statues this has been simmering for years and is rooted in the problems many parts of the US have with race. What is the reaction of many on the right? Seemingly to shout STOP and to accuse all left wingers of trying to destroy America and American history.

 

Reflections, on this post.

The refusal to admit blatant logical problems with one’s argument.

The refusal to admit all logical points made by the opposing argent.

The denial of evidence as evidence, or changing the term evidence to mean something else.

Personal attack.

Prejudicial dismissal of contradicting Sources and references.

Using semantics to undermine the necessary value of words in a debate.

Using improper characterizations of the argument to confound and confuse the argument, I think there may be be another more serious problem:

I thought these problems could best be described as miscommunication or confirmation biased readings. Upon further reflection, there is another more serious problem: the deliberate use of Alinsky - style tactics that seek to achieve philosophical ends through any means necessary.

Those ends, I think, might be a post - modern, communist / atheistic society, amenable to racist rule because of lack of a belief in transcendental truths, morals or ethics.

Of course, I think a lot of people that employ Alinsky - style debate tactics are not involved in any conspiracy but are rather “useful idiots” as the communist leaders used to call their media dupes in the west. They are an ideological mob whipped into the employ of more deliberate individuals that wish to assume power (and have, to a large degree) of the last real, powerful bastion of capitalism and religion the USA. They bitterly fight, using any tactics available, what they see as the evil of capitalism and religion. Because of course, they have been emotionally convinced of the “evil” of America by inciting envy, shame, and jealousy about our wealth and prosperity.

The communist infiltration of America is documented in many historical books. As well as other agenda and methodology. They work to sever our culture from its traditional moral, ethical roots by attacking all positions, and by equivocating traditions and values with other values and traditions (in our culture they call it “diversification)”. One of the communist maxims is that all truths are relative, leaving everything open to the communist to take over the system.

Logic is just a tool to be employed where useful, abandoned and replaced with force, ridicule, or censorship where it is not
In America, our traditional perspective has been undermined by exposure to radicalized ideas and arguments for decades, as well as “diversification”. The equivocations of the left find no difference between radical Muslims and modern Christians. The media constantly abuses and ridicules our traditional beliefs and values. We have entered into a state of “post normal, democratized science where truth is no longer even a goal; the goal is a political sized consensus that can be used to generate social engineering.

Traditionalists who argue a according to traditional structures (such as: free will equals free will and not some equivocated materialist equivocation), semantics and a civil regard for proper form and procedure in debate find themselves facing opponents that do not seek the truth, but rather seek to win the emotional support of people by any means necessary. They see debate and argument as nothing more than theatre by which way they can elicit emotional support and move culture towards their goal by appealing to the base natures of the audience.

IOW traditionalists bring a pair of boxing gloves and stand in the ring, expecting to fight by gentlemanly rules. The post modernist Alinskyite is sitting in the balcony with a rifle.

This is why they so often descend into dismissal, ridicule, personal attack, denial of evidence, obfuscation, and appeals to authority; they don’t care about the truth whatsoever. What they care about is manipulating language to effect emotional support. They declare victory before the fight is even fought, and attempt to shame and confuse everyone into agreement.

This is the philosophical fight traditionalists find themselves in but often don’t realize it. They presume their opponents are fighting by the same rules they are; they are not. Traditionalists seek to find truth; post-modernist only seek to win.

 

Tactics of the rightwing.

IOW, if the right cannot win an argument/debate or win people over to their political thought, it must have something to do with communism.

 

Renn, I see you are a fellow Californian. Unfortunately, you live on the other side of the Orange Curtain.

 

Yes we both live in California & perhaps unfortunate is a tad broad. Either way, nice to meet you.

 

A new low for FOX News or just SOP


Fox News Claims It ‘Mistakenly Eliminated’ Trump Out of Photo With Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell


Fox News on Monday morning apologized for cropping President Donald Trump out of a photograph of him posing with convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,

Ghislaine Maxwell, the recently arrested socialite who allegedly served as Epstein’s “madam” for the trafficked underage girls. The network claimed the clear crop job was a mere mistake.

 

The damage is done. I have noticed the Fox plan is to lie and admit a "mistake" after knowing the information is out there. The viewer will still believe the lie and see the retraction as the deep state censoring. So in a way it's even more credible to admit it's a mistake on air. I guarantee on Facebook right now the story is that Clinton and Obama are in 100 pictures with these people and Trump is in zeo. I mean he's married to a model why would mess with that?

 

Left wing media is without lies?

Fox News is but 1 whereas there is a plethora of Leftist sources.

Perhaps there’s more compelling evidence condemning the left vs the right.

Isn’t weaknesses in human nature that not only affect the left but the right as well?

Although Bill “never had sex with that woman” ... & is not a coincidence that China’s premier fighter jet is a carbon copy of the USA’s?

Could evidence surface of Bill yielding his infamous cigar trick on underage children?

Was it coincidence that Jeffery Epstein was murdered?

Does the same fate rest in store for the madam?

 

This thread is dedicated to the condemnation of FOX News – stay on topic

 

" A cloth mask is protection from a virus " . This is a lie . "NPR presents unbiased journalism" . This
is a lie worthy of public support , huh .

 

A link to the daily show, you put me in check. Everything the left says is gospel. Everything the right says is lies and wrong. Fox News is all bad. All the left media is good. You’re all way smarter than me. Congratulations, you win. Go Left!

 

Why is that what you call "left" and biases is the standard and accepted fact everywhere else in the world.? These places don't care about you or America. Why would they lie to their people about YOUR lies and not even their own local fake news lies?

It's because Fox is the one who lies. 9 times out 10 they can not even get a credible "expert" on a topic. They get one from their echo chamber or one with a questionable background.