fox hunting banned!

I'm not talking about colonialism ... Slaves were working in this country too.

 

A way of life?? You could call anything a way of life... dosn't mean it's an ethical way of life though...

I think slavery is a very good example actually... Years ago certain humans were seen as "less human" than others i.e. less worthy of a free life.

We now see that as wrong and there are laws against such practises.

Banning hunting and other restrictions brought on by the animals rights movements are a positive progression for us all imo...

 

i do actually totally agree with you

 

yes but they were here because of colonialism

 

What about enforced child labour and bonded white slavery?

 

indeed they should have been banned

 

trouble with banning is the powers that be never know when to stop-better not to allow something to ever be started, or if its too late for that, to better regulate it than ban it completely-banning is just censorship, the current popular view, an agenda pushed by a small number of people in certain areas

-nothing is ever really banned completely of course-always a way around it-still child labor & slavery worldwide, including plenty in the us-hanging is still used (lets seperate hanging from lynching, which ahs always been illegal, and you cant ban that which has never been authorized in the first place)-thalidomide is being used once again in the medical world-everything old is new again, and man never learns from the past.

 

Yeah, y'know what? You're absolutely right. We should never have banned murder or rape or paedophilia - much better just to regulate them instead.

I'm sure that's what they said when slavery was abolished.

Your 'argument' is facile rubbish. If we followed it to its rational conclusion, we'd all be free to fuck each over in whatever ways we wished.

 

Well done for trying too start a arguement, garnered from completly what some one did not actualy say..

 

Has banning these things stopped them?


and since neither of us were around when salvery was abolished we cant be sure what was said, but i know i've read often enough that most in the North, including Lincoln, didnt really care one way or the other about it, except where it mattered in economic terms and in state rights.

and we are free to fuck each other over in any way we see fit, long as we're willing to pay the price if we're caught. We let the goverment do it us often enuf.

 

It's certainly bloody reduced them! Are you suggesting mureder, rape and paedophilia should be legal then?

Oh but we can.



"Absurd and impolitic". "The vulgar influenced by names and titles". "Mistaken notions". "Ignorance and folly". All sounds very familiar.

Indeed. Because we have laws which ban things. Hence the price.

 

notice how this 'dr' fellow follows the usual route of trying to prove his point thru outrageous accusations and silly links. I disgaree with him (apparently) so i must be a supporter of all things evil, from slavery to pedo sex. and any post from here on will just be seen as 'insulting' so this'll be it. No time to waste on such people.

I simply prefer less goverment interference in my life, not more. if anyone prefers the opposite, fine, Just dont cry when it touches upon soemthing you like, as is so often the case.
does everyone wear seatbelts? no. Does everyone observe the speed limit? No. Will the rich and powerful who like to fox hunt stop? No, they'll find a way around it, and meanwhile goverment time that could have been better spent on helping the needy and powerless goes wasted.

 

I'm glad steps are being taken to prevent foxhunting. Alot of the landed gentry enjoy it as their tradition and hobby, but times are changing and it is not fair to let a group of hounds hunt a fox to it's death. Where I live there is often a hunt taking place, and we have to keep our dogs and cats in the house, as the hounds are so close we're not taking the risk of letting them see our pets.

 

Very mature. Nice start.

Notice how this wendy wench deliberately falls back on false accusations herself. I don't remember anywhere where I accused you of supporting any such things. I was drawing an analogy. Is that so hard to understand? And what, precisely, are these 'ridiculous links' of which you talk?

Do you hunt then? And if you don't like 'government interference', then should we abolish all laws entirely?

Do the vast majority wear seatbelts? Yes. Do people ignore the speed limits? Yes. So should we abolish speed limits as well?

That's no argument at all. "Oh, we can't pass a law in case people ignore it". C'mon, you can do better than that!

 

Matthew, if you want to debate fox hunting, then do so. If you want to pick an argument with me, then just fuck off and go bore someone else.

I think I've posted exhaustively on the issue of hunting. I don't see why I should feel obliged to answer every single point over again. I answer the points that interest me. If you don't like it, then tough shit.

 

True true, this thread's getting off topic, it's about the hunting ban, not the nature of Dok's arguments....

 

ok..

 

Taking this point on... all laws would be a form of censorship then wendy / blackie???

Your arguments make no sense at all... If you are arguing that we should have no laws at all, are you meaning we should become an anarchist country?

Just because bad things still happen dosn't mean we should just sit back and accept them.

I am so glad we have certain laws wendy / blackie. For sure it dosn't stop all people from breaking them but it does mean you can prosecute people when they do.

Murder should be illegal in all its forms imo... are you saying it shouldn't be?

 

I'm a socialist, I have the utmost concern for people's livlihoods, and for them being able to earn a living - but I can't justify foxhunting by using that argument. A few people may be out of a job, that's true, though it does depend on how the hunting groups respond to the ban. Drag hunting would solve the problem entirely. As for horsebreeding, I ride horses, but I don't hunt, is it necessary really? I don't think it will impact on the eco system at all. Foxhunting, despite what the toffs may say, is not a method of population control. It's a sport! The pure enjoyment of an animal's suffering. The ecosystem survived long before fox hunting was ever concieved, regulated largely by the fox's food supplies. Even if fox numbers did increase as a result, which I seriously doubt they will by any great ammount, then it will be kept in check by the fact that there won't be enough food to sustain a significantly larger fox population....

 

Wendy is Blackie, who had been banned previously by another mod....