Finding a reliable research chemical supplier

ahhh . .

Time to upgrade.

 

Pihkal and Tihkal are both freely available online at erowid and the lycaeum. Not the narrative bits; just the chem descriptions.

 

I was talking about methamphetamines, meaning MDMA and stuff like that. Great chems themselves, even better in combos (but never forget: in almost every lethal RC accident during the last year, at least one methamphetamine was involved. Never risk too much and always use an accurate scale (accuracy not less than 1mg!)).

 

Hello all!!!
This is my first post. I´m spanish and my english is very bad.
Of course my intention is to get a reliable list of rc's suppliers or get access to that private forum of psichonauts. Please "The Flow", you believe me if I assure that I am a 40 year old psichonaut, experimented mdma consumer and ocassional consumer of 2CB.
Trying to find 2meoDMT.

 

^^5meo-dmt maybe? 2meo-dmt is a new one to be, and not in Tihkal. 2me-dmt is, but doesn't seem particularly interesting.

 

Wow, I don't even know what to say about that...I think the combination of your name, level of coherence and post count make for a big bouquet of "no". Asking here won't get you places, but google and the sticky threads in the forum might point you in the right direction

 

Oops, I said 2 instead 5, sorry. I know your answer is NO but no matter, thanks anyway.

 

Didn´t have much time to look after this during the last week... do you have links for me? I´m always interested in such publications (although most of them are just part of the panic campaigns of the US government...).

 

Haven´t you read my first post in this thread???
If you had, you wouldn´t have posted this!

And:
I´m interested how you define a "psychonaut". What special things have you found out about yourself on your trips? Do you keep records of your trips? Do you swap your experiences with others? How many people have you sitted during their trips? Ever done psychological tests or IQ tests during your trips in order to find out, how a drug affects your psyche and mind? Ever done some basic studies in biology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics, pharmacology, (neuro)physiology or things like that? How many psychonautical congresses have you attended so far?

I know, that´s a lot of questions, but from my experience, 99% of the people who call themselves "psychonauts" only do this to excuse their drug abuse...

 

1.- Yes I have read it. But I understood with my language constraint. I have understood your message, sorry just kidding.
2.- Psychonaut: A person who studies his soul-mind combo in depth, travelling into himself.
3.- I had revelations of my soul nature. I´ve learned things what already know but I don´t believe.
4.- No, I remember unforgettable experiences.
5.- Yes, I swap with my friends and my wife.
6.- The same people with who swap.
7.- No, no test.
8.- Yes, I´m very interested in biochemistry but I am not a biochemical.
9.- No, no congress

I´m a psychonaut not a researcher.
I like drugs but I am not a drug abuser. A thin line does a boundary limit.

Sorry for my bad english and for my sarcasm.

Sincerely.

 

thank earlyxsunsets. me too

 

True, true.

Besides: Forgive me if I sounded rude, but many people come here, claiming to be psychonauts, but only look for the next (and stronger) kick.


But here´s an important hint, if you´re seriously looking for good (and cheap) suppliers:
There´s a special reason, why I often ask the people here, how many psychonautical congresses they have attended so far - because there´s by far no better place to make connections and find resources. Of course you can´t just run around and ask everybody "Hey man, any good drugs for sale?" But if you behave a little sensible, you may meet some friendly chemists, who are willing to make you a custom synthesis of (almost) whatever you want. After my first psychonautical congress, I came home with not less than 16 adresses in my pocket, of which 7 were from chemists. Since then, I never had a problem getting the chemicals I desire (although I always appreciate getting new internet resources - sometimes they´re just much cheaper), often it´s just a matter of time. And during the last years, my periodical attendance at these congresses even paid out in connections to the "German Federal Opium Control Agency", the highest drug control authority here in Germany. And I have good connections to the only guys in Germany, who are allowed to manufacture synthetic THC.
That´s why I can say now: If I can´t get it, nobody can! (which doesn´t mean that I´m interested in trying all that stuff; it´s my belief that everyone should set himself borderlines, which he´ll never cross! For me, this borderline begins with cocaine and most opiates.)

So the best advice I can give an ambitioned psychonaut: search the internet for the next psychonautical congress in your area and go there. And even, if you don´t find a new resource at your first visit, you´ll definitely have a great time (remember my reports from the Basel LSD-symposium in Jan 2006 here on hipforums; especially about the Saturday night party with hundreds of highly decorated and respected researchers on acid...).

 

Escohotado said (He is a spanish writer): There are one drug for each stage of our life, opiates are good for the end when pain is daily.

I will be old junkie grandpa.

Cocaine, bufff, this line crossed in and out MDMA free me. Thanks medicine of the soul.

The Flow, I envy you. Thanks for your advice, I´ll try to find congress in Spain.

and what is your definition of psychonaut?... and your best experience?

Un abrazo

 

Sorry, that I didn´t answer that earlier, as so often, I had too much work to do during the last weeks (and months)...

I define a psychonaut as a person, who does drugs to find out more about himself, how his mind/brain works and tries to take something out of these experiences in his everyday life. Sometimes, he´ll even manage to reproduce some drug effects without having taken the drug (after some training, I can already reproduce parts of the effects of 2C-B, 2C-E and Methylone, just by will. They don´t last long though, but even a few seconds can have strong effects if used wisely in your daily life. And don´t forget, that I´m still working on it...).
And of course, he shares his experiences with other psychonauts, esp. professional researchers, in order to help them drawing new conclusions on drug themes and maybe discover things, that may help everybody.
A good psychonaut doesn´t do drugs just for fun. O.K., he may sometimes take them for personal reasons (e.g. me and my wife spent a night on Methylone, after her Grandma passed away last December, but this included also some kind of therapeutic setting), but he has enough control over his situation and enough resources, that he does not need drugs to get along with his life.
Some people take drugs regularly just because they think, they wouldn´t have a godd time without them (or at least a not-so-good time). Some are also just looking for the next and maybe stronger kick. Imho, these people are no psychonauts, but only poor creatures, who have lost their faith and can´t see the beauty of life any more!
A good psychonaut will always plan his experiences, care for a good set and setting. And if he experiments with new substances or new (higher) doses of drugs he already knows, he´ll always have a sober sitter around. I´ve already done (group) experiments without a sitter, but only if every member of the group had researched it well (that means done it at least 3 times, if possible in different doses), had made good experiences with it and - most important - only with substances and at doses, under which I could (with lots of will and discipline) in case of emergency switch back to "normal mode" and handle the situation (for me, these substances are Methylone, MDMA in low doses, 2C-B, Psilocybin in low doses and THC).
He will be careful with every substance, research new substances as good as possible, start with reasonable low doses and will also always have proper antidotes at hand.

This is only a small part of my definition of a "Psychonaut", but I hope, it´ll point you in the right direction.

My best experience ever was my 2nd MDMA trip... I had been a little anxious before my 1st one (have read lots of the horror news about it, this was also at the beginning of my "career" as a psychonaut) and couldn´t relax very well. Also, I wasn´t very comfortable with my sitter. It was nice, but it wasn´t the thing I had expected. The 2nd time I knew what to expect, so I could relax a little more. My sitter was a friend from university, who wasn´t very happy about my drug experiments, but anyway agreed to be my guide. He had lots of empathy and although he had never taken MDMA before, he knew instinctively, what was best for me (maybe, because he was a marathon runner - these guys know very much about extreme serotonine rushes!).
Another great experience was my 1st 2C-B alone trip. I had experienced the substance 6 times before with a sitter on doses up to 30mg, when I tried a 10mg trip alone (but with my friend from the 2nd MDMA trip as a backup, his phone number stored in my telephone for emergencies, having a key to my appartment and calling me every 60 minutes, to check, if I was still alright). On the same night, I experienced (among other things) one of our German soccer teams winning the UEFA-Cup (the 2nd most important soccer title in Europe) - of course on TV. Under the drug, this became a night, which I´ll never forget.
And I´ve had some great 2C-B and 2C-E experiences in circuses, shows and esp. visiting fireworks displays.

 

Haha, My best experience are exactly the same, second MDMA trip, seems that the first trip was too much strong for my brain or I wasn't prepared for it came.

Thanks for your info, ever it´s good to learn good things from good friends.

My next step is try 2c-e, I have 500mg, do you have any advice for me? Already tried 2c-b six years ago when I started my relation with MDMA.

Another question, Methilone vs MDMA, wich do you prefer?

Thanxs and bye

PD. (I was waiting the previous answer for weeks, but no matter, your answer was great). Thanks&thanks El Flujo

 

Start with 14-16mg and expect some stomach discomfort during the first 60-90 minutes. Fresh ginger can help your gut to get through this period.
Have some eye food at hand.
If your experience was pleasant, you might want to raise to 19-22mg.
After collecting some experience, you may also want to try a combo with methylone. 12-15mg of 2C-E in combination with 35-60mg of Methylone are a really great experience.

There´s nothing like god ol` MDMA, but sometimes I just prefer its younger sister, because it´s easier to handle, shorter lived and the risk of a depressive phase 2 or 3 days after the experience is much lower. This risk can also be minimized by taking some 5-HTP during the trip.

 

Thanks El Flujo.

I haven´t Methylone, but I've MDMA. Once I´m adaped to 2ce I will try combo MDMA+2ce instead Methy, what do you think?

 

the flow you info is so important to the real comunity thankyou for the writeups
coop

 

Earlyx, bad experience with 2ce? I´m sorry. It seems that 2ce is too much toxic?

 

I´ve done it and I must say, that I didn´t like it that much. Too much energy and the kick in of the 2C-E is (imho) much too strong.
If you want to try it, maybe do 100-150mg of MDMA first, and when you´re already coming down, take 8-12mg 2C-E.
Be prepared for a lot of coughing and the really nasty feeling of hairs in your throat for 1-2 hours.