Fighting the Same Old Battle

I think this may be a lost cause. Hiding behind a computer emboldens too many people to say nasty things they would never say to a stranger in person. You can't be selective in who you hang with online. In real life, I never choose to have serious conversations with rude people. Here, you don't have a choice.

 

Yea, this guy said it best. Dude OP, this place is no different than anywhere else, including real world places. It's the same thing, probably because it consists of the same things...people. Peace

 

I'm not saying it is different here. I'm saying this shift back toward moral intolerance is a problem everywhere, online and in real life. HF just made me more aware of it.

 

One of the most divisive of the anti-sex threads in L&S disappeared recently. That's a positive sign. It took me a while to figure out why my postcount was down by two because I hadn't posted in that thread recently.

But we still need to think more about the problem in the real world because it is much larger and more important. I would like to see the basic idea of sexual freedom get widespread respect everywhere, even from those who don't choose to use it. I don't care if that goal seems realistic or not.

 

Hey OP

Yeah, I feel you on that. The very same expectation lead me to be angry and bitter. I realized that sexuality is such a fucked up subject for people because in general homosexuality is not yet acceptable and MOSTLY because what is not acceptable to people put people against each other, when they have the capacity to exhibit a characteristic that makes them seem like an unacceptable person. This makes people who have not yet learnt to emotionally intellectualize their emotions, to seek and destroy others on these characteristics, in an attempt to show that they are the opposite of that and to ensure that they never feel socially inept and unnacceptable.

In short, people are obsessed with other people sexual experience and expression because in a social situation, with a hierarchy of beliefs and expectations(which ultimately means of 'people') everyone is a reflection of each other. Therefore, there are many who are do not wish to be socially awkward and low in the hierarchy and so they are forced to be very socially silent and still, until they find someone who reflects that characteristic inside of them, so that they can feel like they have someone to fall back on, if their expression is beginning to become less acceptable.

Also these socially awkward sexual expressions can also be an avenue through which a group find peace amongst each other, especially peace amongst those fighting to make their way back up the hierarchy.

The overarching reason this occurs is because people cannot understand why they wish to 'fit into' a social heirarchy. Most just go on the very fact that it feels good and when in doubt they just point to human nature as a reason for acting, as such.

I think this will not change and expect this to be around all of my life. If not get worse. I am leaving this society eventually because of this and many other reasons to live in a place with people who feel like this and wish to find another way.

 

I'm about ready to give up this battle, at least here. I've gotten too many negative reputation votes and made too many online enemies for having the "incorrect" opinion on this subject. This is a waste of my time. I need to keep more of my opinions to myself.

 

When things go wrong, as they sometimes will,
When the road you're trudging seems all uphill,
When the funds are low and the debts are high,
And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,
When care is pressing you down a bit
Rest if you must, but don't you quit.

Life is queer with its twists and its turns,
As everyone of us sometimes learns,
And many a failure turns about
When they might have won, had they stuck it out.
Don't give up though the pace seems slow,
You may succeed with another blow.

Often the goal is nearer than,
It seems to a faint and faltering man,
Often the struggler has given up
When he might have captured the victor's cup;
And he learned too late when the night came down,
How close he was to the golden crown.

Success is failure turned inside out
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt
And you never can tell how close you are,
It may be near when it seems so far;
So stick to the fight when you're hardest hit,
It's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

ndy

regardless of our history i respect that you voice your opinions on things you believe in, it takes balls to do that, especially in places like these where you know people are gonna jump down your throat...

dont give up, if this battle is something close to your heart and you feel that strongly about it then keep trudgin ahead...

 

Thank you for saying that.

I do get frustrated at times and have to vent a little and maybe take a step back for a while, but I never completely give up. The passage of time always puts things in a better perspective.

On the other hand, I do think there is value in knowing when a point has been made. I don't want to become one of those idealists who has run out of anything new to say about his favorite topic and just goes on endlessly repeating himself. That never accomplishes anything.

 

MJB sending poetry to NDY? God help us! This is hilarious.

Get a room, you two.

 

i used self restraint in not picking apart your posts, ever heard of the saying 'let sleeping dogs lie"?!

 

it also emboldens dishonesty, dont ya think?!

i dont post anything that i dont believe to be the truth,unless it's obviously a joke(nor do i post anything i wouldnt have the balls to say IRL) ...i wonder how many people on here can say the same?

 

I just came upon this thread and don't really know to what it refers. I have never gotten much negativity here. Oh yeah some disagreement and some attack from trolls, but there are others here who jump in and verbally attack back.

Even if one person comes to your defense and covers your back it feels good, like two Trojans standing against all of Persia.

I came to this place and feel I have found many kindred souls both old (my age) and younger than my grandson. There are a few lost souls here, but they seem to me to be the minority. I have reported a few of their posts, as have the other kindred souls and they have come into the fold or been booted out.

I was once very involved in another forum board (had over 2K posts in that one) but their Webmaster was a bit str8 and allowed a rude, militaristic right wingnut in who got away with telling me to "eat shit and die." I could have dealt with that if I had support from the community. Found that only a 19-year-old girl came in fighting and a 20-year-old boy interjected support out of all the ppl on that board.

I left and found a more accepting home here at Hip. So far I haven't felt stifled here. I freely express my sexuality (except I try not to scare off the cute str8 boys here by commenting like I do with all the cute bent boys on MySpace friends). Even the str8 boys here have seemed to be tolerant of my lusts and many ppl here accept my many perv ideas as just natural.

Anyhow, sorry I am clueless to what is going down in this thread. I gave NDY a good rep point. I wasn't even aware of that feature and now am debating if I should even look into what I have. Do I care? IDK. If the points are anonymous they have no real value. I will wait for some member here to tell me my old ass still looks good or that I got a pretty cock or whatever.

Or even that I have a right-on opinion. For those who disagree, I have tried to sway their opinion by my vast wisdom or told them in my most articulate way that feigns politeness, to fuck off.

 

I do appreciate it. The points are not anonymous.

What about in the real world? Do you think that the practice of lifestyle tolerance has lost any ground? I'm guessing that Miami is going to always handle this issue better than most other American cities.

 

I just answered that in another forum "Your response to homophobic remarks" and yes, living in an urban area gives you strength in numbers and you escape all that inbred belief system of small town/rural areas.

 

It seems to me it is the mid-sized cities that are natural battlegrounds for this issue, with the very large cities and tiny towns being quite predictable and stable, at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

For those with access to the Erotica forum, I'm exploring this issue from a completely different angle there.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/forumdisplay.php?f=298

 

whatever happens, do not let naysayers and haters silence you. Nay; scream louder, cry out from the hilltops.

 

no you don't! never be silent.

 

I LOVE this poem. Printed it out, gave it to my friends.

 

More than what's happening online, I'm more concerned right now with a pattern that does not appear to be repeating itself in real life, in the USA. For decades, tolerance on social issues has increased during Democratic presidential administrations, and declined under Republican administrations. If this pattern is continuing with Obama, I have yet to see any evidence of it. It is still early in his term. It may happen yet.